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Galadriel55 09-05-2013 08:47 AM

Is the password Galmod?

Pervinca Took 09-05-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 686374)
Is the password Galmod?

Yes.

G: Hes expanding, or so tis said.
ANGELICA (BAGGINS): Hobbit known for decorative candy?
LEGOLAS: The French purposes (if slightly mixed) reveal him.
M: Shrub loses sleeping disorder to reveal a deceiver.
OLWE: Teutonic lion disturbed among the Teleri.
DADDY TWOFOOT: Paternal biped.

Mithalwen 09-07-2013 02:35 PM

In which casee is 1 Grin father of Glin father of Gimli

Galadriel55 09-07-2013 04:20 PM

Now we just have to think of a shrub that contains "insomnia"...

Pervinca Took 09-07-2013 04:48 PM

GROIN: Hes expanding, or so tis said.
ANGELICA (BAGGINS): Hobbit known for decorative candy?
LEGOLAS: The French purposes (if slightly mixed) reveal him.
M: Shrub loses sleeping disorder to reveal a deceiver.
OLWE: Teutonic lion disturbed among the Teleri.
DADDY TWOFOOT: Paternal biped.

The remaining clue is probably the hardest, but not that hard.

Mithalwen 09-08-2013 02:43 AM

Or apna

Galadriel55 09-08-2013 08:18 AM

Or it could be that "shrub" looses "sleeping", disordered/scrambled. But I still can't find the right shrub or the right sleep - unless the shrub is called "sleeping ___". Apparently there is one called sleeping beauty, but beauty is a pretty hard word to scramble.

Mithalwen 09-08-2013 08:32 AM

I tried working backwards assuming that deceiver is the straight clue and nearly got Maeglin out of magnolia...whomelse Melkor? Morgoth?

Pervinca Took 09-08-2013 09:29 AM

Try googling for an abbreviation of a sleeping disorder.

Mithalwen 09-08-2013 11:52 AM

Ninety eight sets of initials later...

mim? MImosa less osa which is obstructive sleep apnoea

Galadriel55 09-08-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 686417)
Ninety eight sets of initials later...

Half of which aren't even related to sleep... But great job, Mith! The 98 "related terms" were certainly a daunting task...

Pervinca Took 09-09-2013 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 686419)
Half of which aren't even related to sleep... But great job, Mith! The 98 "related terms" were certainly a daunting task...

Well, there has to be one daunting task. The others were pretty easy. It's the first thing that comes up if you google OSA. Admittedly you'd need to know the initials first, but I thought they might be known and that if not, looking up sleeping disorders on Wikipedia would take you to those initials. Sleep apnoea is reasonably common. Plus there aren't that many deceivers beginning with M. Working backwards and thinking of enough shrubs would have taken you to it.

Besides, you ought to have noticed by now that I often use answers I've used before, with different clues. Just as Mith uses really obscure names that you have to trawl for for ages (often through more than 98 other names!)

GROIN: He’s expanding, or so ’tis said.
ANGELICA (BAGGINS): Hobbit known for decorative candy?
LEGOLAS: The French purposes (if slightly mixed) reveal him.
MIM: Shrub loses sleeping disorder to reveal a deceiver.
OLWE: Teutonic lion disturbed among the Teleri.
DADDY TWOFOOT: Paternal biped.

Over to Galadriel. :D

Mithalwen 09-09-2013 02:20 AM

It wasn't so bad since most of them were totally irrelevant but I must admit I hadn't thought of initials and was struggling because both plants and diseases tend to have classical names which are not very Tolkieny. Part of me was expecting to find a shrub called Morgocatalepthys!

And having first encountered it in Australia, I tend to think of wattle first. Or the drink!

The obscure names are usually Gilgalad though....:Merisu: and only because there does have to be a challenge and if the clues are just and the words familiar anyone with enough knowledge of Tolkien and cryptic conventions can rattle through them. So either need the word to be odder or the clue twistier. Of course one person's obscure is hopelessly obvious to another. I really didn't realise Yale was obscure but I couldn't resist the elegance of using Ivy league Boffins even if it was solved in a second.

Pervinca Took 09-09-2013 02:56 AM

Yale, with its pun on boffin, was one of my favourite clues. I'm sure I once knew there was somewhere called Yale in the Shire, but had forgotten it. It's odd that it wasn't in the Appendices. I don't think it was even on the map.

Mithalwen 09-09-2013 03:12 AM

According to Hammond and Scull added in the revised Second Edition.

Galadriel55 09-10-2013 09:00 PM

Well, here it goes.


1. Three directions to hills
2. One of those mixed in no ion star here
3. Ring's endpoint
4. Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.
5. Small fruit switches direction in stone.

Pervinca Took 09-11-2013 01:48 PM

2. Heren Istarion?

3. Orodruin, perhaps? Or Sammath Naur?

Galadriel55 09-12-2013 07:24 AM

1. Three directions to hills
2. One of those mixed in no ion star here
3. ORODRUIN Ring's endpoint
4. Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.
5. Small fruit switches direction in stone.


Heren Istarion is there, but it's not the full clue.

Mithalwen 09-14-2013 07:27 AM

Wildish guess for1 Towere Hills To + West East Right?

Galadriel55 09-14-2013 07:34 AM

Not Tower Hills, but the logic is very similar.

Pervinca Took 09-14-2013 02:22 PM

There's Emyn Arnen, if you can repeat the same direction - but with three N's and two E's it repeats them too many times. Although, according to the Tolkien Gateway, Quenya ar = "beside" " ... beside + N + E gives three directions. Except that "beside" isn't really a direction.

EDIT: Or Emyn Muil has E + N + L(eft).

EDIT: Or "Downs" - but that's four directions - W + N + S plus DOWN.

5. Small fruit switches direction in stone.

I wonder if that could be ERECH - a shortened (small) version of cherry, switched around, with an added direction (E).

Galadriel55 09-14-2013 03:28 PM

Neither one is correct but both are going in the right direction.

Pervinca Took 09-15-2013 06:46 AM

4. Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.

There was a Numenorean haven called ROMENNA - minus MEN and O plus A for one, this would give RANA = wanderer, a name for the moon.

Galadriel55 09-15-2013 11:48 AM

Indeed.

1. Three directions to hills
2. One of those mixed in no ion star here
3. ORODRUIN Ring's endpoint
4. RANA Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.
5. Small fruit switches direction in stone.

Pervinca Took 09-15-2013 03:11 PM

Might I ask if we're looking for a diagonal password or a regular one?

EDIT:

5. Small fruit switches direction in stone.

SARN is an elvish word for stone, I think. It has the first three letters of raspberry (a small part of a small fruit), switched round, and a direction - N - on the end.

Galadriel55 09-15-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 686544)
Might I ask if we're looking for a diagonal password or a regular one?

It's neither. It will be very easy to find once the clues are solved, but you can't get it from only a couple clues.

You're getting warmer with the small fruits, but you're thinking of specific ones. Don't. Think of more general categories that could replace part of the clue.

Pervinca Took 09-15-2013 03:42 PM

Well, there's berry, which is more generic as well as small, and could perhaps lead to beryl, which I believe Strider says is an elvish stone ... but I think beryls are actual semi-precious stones in the "real" world too.

Switches direction could mean changes one of the R's for an L?

Mithalwen 09-15-2013 04:00 PM

Beryl I think is another name for peridot.

Pervinca Took 09-15-2013 04:11 PM

From www.thefreedictionary.com :

"beryl [ˈbɛrɪl] n
(Earth Sciences / Minerals) a white, blue, yellow, green, or pink mineral, found in coarse granites and igneous rocks. It is a source of beryllium and used as a gemstone; the green variety is emerald, the blue is aquamarine. Composition: beryllium aluminium silicate. Formula: Be3Al2Si6O18. Crystal structure: hexagonal
[from Old French, from Latin bēryllus, from Greek bērullos, of Indic origin]
beryline adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003"

So an emerald is a kind of beryl? Always thought beryl was a gemstone because it's also a woman's name (although now very old-fashioned).

Mithalwen 09-15-2013 04:15 PM

Wrong green stone ooops. I have a neighbor Beryl hut she must be seventy and it isn't an old name that has become fasionable again.

Galadriel55 09-15-2013 04:34 PM

1. Three directions to hills
2. One of those mixed in no ion star here
3. ORODRUIN Ring's endpoint
4. RANA Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.
5. BERYL Small fruit switches direction in stone.

Very much correct! I'm not too certain about beryl in our modern world, but in ME is is an elf-stone, one of which Strider found when he went to scout the bridge - a message from Glorfindel.

As for the remaining 2 clues, both have been attempted in the right direction, just not taken far enough. :)

Mithalwen 09-16-2013 03:41 AM

Tyrn Gorthad? Desperation Turn go and...oh i dunno

Galadriel55 09-16-2013 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 686553)
Tyrn Gorthad? Desperation Turn go and...oh i dunno

No, not that complex. It's three directions put together - regular directions, not instructions directions. Like East-Up-Left could become Eupl. Except that that's not a word. :)

Pervinca Took 09-16-2013 07:02 AM

Far Downs would be Far + Down + S, but Far isn't really a direction and I think it's more likely, if Downs, to be North, South, East or West. I need to look up which of these exist in the Shire, though.

Off the top of my head, I think North Downs might be the one that does.

EDIT: North Downs does indeed exist, but it's Fornost way, north of Bree, and not actually in the Shire.

EDIT: There are also the South Downs, though, which are south of Bree.

BTW I had assumed that Heren Istarion was a place. Looking it up, of course, it's the name given to the order of Five Wizards (which wouldn't make sense with the clue, even if it did have another i).

Mithalwen 09-16-2013 11:22 AM

Missing something hete do we know it has to be in shire?

Pervinca Took 09-16-2013 12:01 PM

It doesn't. That was just me trying to solve the clue. I thought the North Downs were in the Shire. I was just pointing out that they weren't when I found out where they were.

Mithalwen 09-16-2013 12:57 PM

Ok, occurs that the no isn't needed into make Heren Istarion wonder if that is significant.

Pervinca Took 09-16-2013 01:10 PM

You mean you think the answer could be one of the five wizards? One of them mixed in the no (number) - one of the five which make up the Heren Istarion?

Hmmm - Gandalf/Mithrandir/Olorin, Saruman/Curunir/Curumo, Radagast/Aiwendil, Pallando and the other one ... Alatar.

EDIT:

I'm going to guess BROWN LANDS for the password, reading up from the bottom on the first and last letter of every name.

With WIZARD for the Heren Istarion clue and NORTH DOWNS for the first one.

Galadriel55 09-16-2013 08:49 PM

Oll Korrect! :)
 
1. NORTH DOWNS Three directions to hills
2. WIZARD One of those mixed in no ion star here
3. ORODRUIN Ring's endpoint
4. RANA Numenorian port without men - O! - receives one wanderer.
5. BERYL Small fruit switches direction in stone.

*bows* Over to Pervinca!

Mithalwen 09-16-2013 11:37 PM

I am being thick here but I don't get why three directions is north? V clever password btw


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