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Galadriel55 07-29-2013 09:53 AM

1. Arwen (wan+er mixed)

Pervinca Took 07-29-2013 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 685212)
Having got hung up om Lugdush the orc I have had an idea amd wonder if it is Neekerbreeker

Indeed it is.

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 685231)
1. Arwen (wan+er mixed)

Correct.

REMEMBER: INITIALS FORM THE PASSWORD, BUT THE CLUES HAVE BEEN JUMBLED UP.

ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
3. He says to partake of the vittles.
4. This chap is said to be incandescent.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
6. The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
7. Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
8. Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night.

Pervinca Took 08-04-2013 06:09 AM

Have decided to shuffle the clues back into their correct order:
 
1. Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
3. The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
5. This chap is said to be incandescent.
6. Loose a muddled detectivesí friend; itís brilliant against the night.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
8. He says to partake of the vittles.

Mithalwen 08-04-2013 08:22 AM

lost my post with resource limit and between that and visiting sibling and no libray puters due to lead nicked off the roof I havent had much downs time ...

The in spanish can be Los las el or la IIRC There are various Gondor placenames thst contain these elements but I have had no luck fitting the reat of the clue yet.

Vittles is a gaffer gamgee kind of word but again...

Mithalwen 08-04-2013 08:28 AM

I am going to have a stab at Felagund for the password

Pervinca Took 08-04-2013 10:21 AM

Felagund is correct, and should make the remaining clues easier.

F: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
L: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
G: This chap is said to be incandescent.
U: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
D: He says to partake of the vittles.

Galadriel55 08-04-2013 10:45 AM

5. Gandalf?!

And the U in #6 shatters my hopes of "Watson" being scrambled somehow...

Pervinca Took 08-04-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 685290)
5. Gandalf?!

And the U in #6 shatters my hopes of "Watson" being scrambled somehow...

Not Gandalf (but a good idea!) That one is actually very similar to a clue Mithalwen guessed fairly easily in my very first password.

It isn't a sidekick of a detective that you're looking for. If anything, the detectives are probably the sidekicks.

EDIT: Mith is right about the "the in Spanish" bit.

Mithalwen 08-04-2013 11:41 AM

Just because I am obsesses I will try my darling Gilgalad for five
Is Dain pronounced Dine as in Dunedain?If so that is my guess for the last one.Lossarnach for L though wanderer makes me think of Don Quixote so Amedon is another maybe.

Galadriel55 08-04-2013 12:43 PM

Gloin for incandescent? I remember that being the answer to a clue I for some reason remember from the very beginning of the thread...

Pervinca Took 08-05-2013 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 685292)
Just because I am obsesses I will try my darling Gilgalad for five
Is Dain pronounced Dine as in Dunedain?If so that is my guess for the last one.Lossarnach for L though wanderer makes me think of Don Quixote so Amedon is another maybe.

F: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent.
U: Loose a muddled detectivesí friend; itís brilliant against the night.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles.

1. Correct, Galadriel. If it was used near the beginning of the thread, I didn't consciously copy it. I haven't read every post on the thread. I meant that it was very like my clue for "Oin" (debt-ridden dwarf, we hear, or something like that).

2. My clue for the last one was originally "He's said to condescend." Then I remembered that "ain" in Tolkien's names is always the sound in "mine." I checked it up, just to be certain, and there was a sound recording of the name Dain on the Tolkien Gateway that sounded more like "Doyne." But I guessed the "dine" sound was most likely correct.

3. Mith, I take it you mean Lamedon? Don't know anything about Amedon. Lamedon is EL + NOMAD (wanderer) mixed up (meandering). My clue for THAT was originally "Injured Gondorian professor," but you used a very similar clue so I had to change it (that was why I guessed Lamedon so quickly in one of your previous clues).

Very surprised you haven't got the first clue yet. ;)

Mithalwen 08-05-2013 06:34 AM

I did! And I had quite forgotten my clue.... really think I have goldfish DNA sometimes And Nomad didn't occur because I was taking the La not the EL...

I though the dine pronunciation was for Elvish...I always read Dain as Dayin but then I still haven't completely cured my Seleborn Sirdan habit...

I thinki have the first one now having twigged on teh Musketeer (very late for a French lit specialist) . The Indicator for starting with F helped me to Felagund and Lord F will lead quickly to darling Faramir.... and only now have Irealised that if you take one of three Musketeers rather than a generic musketeer and delete a directional letter.... Aramis - S .. add teh last letter of war ... and bingo.. Faramir.

Pervinca Took 08-05-2013 06:51 AM

FARAMIR: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent.
U: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles.

Indeed it does!

I wonder how I can check properly on the pronunciation of Dain. I always thought it sounded like deign, but when I checked the pronunciation notes I thought they were for all peoples/languages.

I won't give a further clue for the remaining one just yet. Maybe try a few guesses and then see if you can make them fit. ;)

Mithalwen 08-05-2013 07:21 AM

Wll all teh U words I can think of are orcs or Utumno.. apart from Undomiel...which would shine in the night sky but apart from containing the initials DI I can't make it fit.

Pervinca Took 08-05-2013 07:26 AM

FARAMIR: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower.
LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor.
ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden.
GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent.
UNDOMIEL: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night.
NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter.
DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles.

To loose = to UNDO, plus EMIL muddled = MIEL = Undomiel.

Over to you. :)

Mithalwen 08-06-2013 10:52 AM

Quantity not quality..
 
1 RAUROS Muddled Sauron gains right but loses direction. Falls.
2 A Confused instruction to get down or mount?
3 M More aid comes initially reorganised by a good friend.
4 M Having lost his way a Royal Academician minds a crafty fellow.
5 ARTANARO Craft sun and form of address for a king
6 SINDARIN Speech fault of singer beyond the sea?
7 ERELAS Highlight before a girl loses her way?
8 CELEBORN This the French tolerated before changing direction for a tree.
9 HADOR Possessed alternative blond.
10 OROPHER Poor confused girl elf
11 RORIMAC Master confused tup swallowing dwarf child initially.

Pervinca Took 08-06-2013 11:47 AM

1. Rauros? (Sauron plus r minus s - Rauros Falls).

9. Hador? (had + or).

10. Oropher? ("poor" confused, plus her).

(And I wonder if Rammas Echor is the password ....)

Mithalwen 08-06-2013 01:34 PM

All correct...dose of salts sprigs to mind.

Pervinca Took 08-06-2013 03:55 PM

6 S Speech fault of singer beyond the sea?
 
I thought this must be Sindarin before I guessed the password, because of sin for flaw, but couldn't work out the singer part.

Then a minute ago I remembered the singer Bobby Darin.

I'm still not sure about the beyond the sea part though. Unless it was only spoken in Middle-earth, across the straight pond from Valinor.

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 685335)
All correct...dose of salts sprigs to mind.

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Mithalwen 08-06-2013 09:40 PM

As in going through the clues like a dose of salts..

It is Sindarin...A last desperate clue...I assumed anyone knowing Darin would know Beyond the Sea.... I would say check it on youtube but it is vey earwormy. The title was used for the Kevin Spacey biopic a few years ago.

Pervinca Took 08-07-2013 07:29 AM

I might know it, but not its name. My parents had a couple of his records and I know a few of his songs. Very talented man; tragically short life.

EDIT: Ah, that song. Never associated him with that one. If I heard him sing it, I probably thought it was Sinatra doing a cover of a Piaf song (he sounds very Sinatraish singing it).

When I think Bobby Darin, I think more "If I were a carpenter" or "Another song on my mind."

Mithalwen 08-07-2013 07:52 AM

Neither of which I know..it is a loose version of Charles Trenet's La Mer which ws used for an advertrecently for something I have forgotten.

However I am not very musical at least as far as anythin in the last couple of centuries is concerned so I thought that some might be aware of the film more than the singer..and besidesit is such a Tolkien type title.

Pervinca Took 08-07-2013 08:01 AM

8 C This the French tolerated before changing direction

The only tree I could think of beginning with C was Carnimirie.

But after some research I find there are a couple of others.

Apparently Celeborn is also the name of a white tree in Tol Eressea.

Ce + le + born (bore - change e for n - only just worked that bit out - was wondering how borne could work as it would lose a direction rather than changing it).

Mithalwen 08-07-2013 09:19 AM

Yes I dithered over the directions and had to double check it worked when I typed it up..

Pervinca Took 08-07-2013 10:05 AM

11 R Master confused tup swallowing dwarf child initially.

I guess RORIMAC was Master of Buckland.

RAM is another word for tup, confused and put around/swallowing the dwarf ORI, with the initial letter of child.

Mithalwen 08-07-2013 11:07 AM

Rorimac was old Rory and indeed Master of Buckland.

Pervinca Took 08-08-2013 06:27 AM

7 E Highlight before a girl loses her way?

Could that be the beacon ERELAS? Ere for before, plus (lass minus S).

I was really struggling to find a synonym for highlight that would work - thought the straight clue was the girl or possibly a way (like a mountain pass), although "loses" suggested way was part of the cryptic component. Didn't realise the beacons had names before I went looking for possible female names starting with "Ere."

Mithalwen 08-08-2013 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 685360)
7 E Highlight before a girl loses her way?

Could that be the beacon ERELAS? Ere for before, plus (lass minus S).

I was really struggling to find a synonym for highlight that would work - thought the straight clue was the girl or possibly a way (like a mountain pass), although "loses" suggested way was part of the cryptic component. Didn't realise the beacons had names before I went looking for possible female names starting with "Ere."

It could and indeed is....:D I do try to keep to the convention of havingbthe straight part at one end though 7t can be a struggle.

Pervinca Took 08-09-2013 05:46 PM

5 A Craft sun and form of address for a king

The nearest I can get is Aranarth (art for craft, anar for sun), but h on its own is not a form of address.

Anardil = sun + friend, but "friend" is stretching it as a form of address.

Have also been trying to combine anar with hail (so far without success). ;)

It's possible that I'm going wrong in trying to translate sun, of course.

Mithalwen 08-09-2013 05:55 PM

So close yet so far. You have correctly identified two elements.. Then you have gone awry.

Mithalwen 08-10-2013 09:09 AM

This is the most obscure of thos remaining hoever...

Pervinca Took 08-10-2013 10:16 AM

I haven't discounted the idea of "craft" being the name of a ship and the straight clue. I just can't find a ship name that works (even in Adunaic!)

Mithalwen 08-10-2013 10:36 AM

When I told you you had correctly identified two elements I meant art and anar. I would add that there is no anagram indicator afaik in theclue., as for the form of address think grammar and vocative.

Pervinca Took 08-10-2013 10:40 AM

I did a week's course in Latin once, but at school I had to choose between Latin and German and chose the latter.

I know that -e can be a vocative ending in Latin, though.

Am at my dad's, so only have internet, though, and the indexes of books can sometimes be a lot more useful.

Artanare? (Haven't found that in my search for kings, though).

EDIT: Looked up the vocative and apparently it can have the -i ending, too. Artanari?

Mithalwen 08-10-2013 11:20 AM

Post got lost ....it is more the form they use in Engkish to indicate the vocative though it is swldom used in modern English though it is used in the Hobbit. As for who.. I indulged my obsession alas for the last time. The other clues are not so obscure.

Pervinca Took 08-10-2013 11:33 AM

Ah, ARTANARO, another name for Gil-Galad.

I suppose you mean the way characters sometimes say things like "What have we done, o king?" in The Hobbit?

Mithalwen 08-10-2013 11:39 AM

Yep...and I think Bilbo uses it to address Smaug...though ithere is the story of the child being taught the vocative of table in latin was for addressing a table ..O table!. He protested he never did...
The rest are far less obscure..

Pervinca Took 08-12-2013 02:52 PM

4 M Having lost his way a Royal Academician minds a crafty fellow.

Been trying to get this one for ages. The letters RA alone don't seem to work - I wonder if a Royal Academician is an artist? It has a way to lose (s). But otherwise that doesn't work, either.

Mahtan springs to mind as a crafty fellow - or possibly Maeglian - but I can't get either of them to fit the cryptic bits.

Mithalwen 08-12-2013 03:31 PM

RA is correct. You are being too specific. This is more obscure than the other two..but not fiendishly so.

Pervinca Took 08-13-2013 10:17 AM

A Confused instruction to get down or mount?

It's just occurred to me that this could be one of the Amons.

But the only one I can get to anywhere near work is Amon Obel - the word below for get down, but the W would be missing, and there's nothing in the clue to indicate that it should be.


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