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Urwen 04-02-2020 06:55 AM

I am at a loss, again.

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 07:08 AM

Rolling to new page:

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722104)
I am at a loss, again.

Okay, let's see...

-Both clues have the straight clue at the end.

-R consists of three elements, with one out of order from where it's clued.

-N consists of two elements, plus one instruction relating to one element, and one relating to the word as a whole.

-There are no Middle-earth words in the clues (well... maybe one), though one answer is in a Middle-earth language.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-02-2020 07:14 AM

All need to be people so they can say their names gleam? ;)

I'd have the glittery moon talking, or the Remmirath boasting of her sparkly nets, but then I'm weird/an English Lit graduate/both/probably the same thing to a scientist. :D

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722106)
All need to be people so they can say their names gleam? ;)

I'd have the glittery moon talking, or the Remmirath boasting of her sparkly nets, but then I'm weird/an English Lit graduate/both/probably the same thing to a scientist. :D

All need to be people so they can be 'people named after precious stones, metals, and jewellery'. The password is not the theme, the cover is not the book, &c &c.

(Had I not gone with 'people', you'd be looking at clues for Tilkal, Ormal, and the Silmarils, so rejoice that I limited myself.)

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 07:31 AM

4. Narwe (Ear+W), the whole meaning 'signet'.

Urwen 04-02-2020 07:39 AM

3. Ringwraiths (Wraiths beyond the Ring; 'Ash Nazg Durbatuluk') ;)

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722113)
4. Narwe (Ear+W), the whole meaning 'signet'.

No... is that a person? It could be one of the Cuivienen lot, but I don't think it is.

Also: no anagrams. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722115)
3. Ringwraiths (Wraiths beyond the Ring; 'Ash Nazg Durbatuluk') ;)

Nope. You've interpreted 'beyond' correctly, though I'm not sure you meant to; and your interpretation of one of the elements is correct.

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 07:54 AM

3. Ring-bearer (Ring+Bear+Er)

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722119)
3. Ring-bearer (Ring+Bear+Er)

ROAR! ... er.

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
RINGBEARER - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

One to go! And if I told you what language it was in you'd get it immediately.

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 08:01 AM

So 4. L+RAE+I?

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722121)
So 4. L+RAE+I?

You are correct that it needs to be reversed. Other than that, no. (What war are you thinking of, anyway?)

'Lend' is just a filler word; ignore it.

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 08:15 AM

Well, there is War of Wrath....

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722123)
Well, there is War of Wrath....

Wasn't that one the longest in the First Age?

In any case, this is a Primary World war (not World War).

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 08:44 AM

Well, the shortest war in history is Anglo-Zanzibar war....

Urwen 04-02-2020 08:45 AM

Briefly means 'acronym', so AZ, and reversed it's Za....and Zamin is the only person which begins with ZA.

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722125)
Well, the shortest war in history is Anglo-Zanzibar war....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722126)
Briefly means 'acronym', so AZ, and reversed it's Za....and Zamin is the only person which begins with ZA.

I only used one party to the war, and briefly in this case means 'shortened'. But that's the right war!

(Also the answer starts with N. :))

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 09:06 AM

Na+I+Rae?

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722130)
Na+I+Rae?

I'd like to think I could find a more reliable way to clue 'NA'.

You need a synonym for ear (I think it's an English dialect word); you're looking for two 3-letter pieces to put together and reverse.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-02-2020 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 722132)
I'd like to think I could find a more reliable way to clue 'NA'.

You need a synonym for ear (I think it's an English dialect word); you're looking for two 3-letter pieces to put together and reverse.

hS

You could turn Z 90 degrees.

Lug is slang for ear, but has no N in it.

Urwen 04-02-2020 09:31 AM

In which case it's Nazgul (Zan+Lug backwards).

Pervinca Took 04-02-2020 09:33 AM

'Nazgul' doesn't gleam, though.

Perhaps it's an opulent Numenorean king, with a name in Adunaic?

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722137)
In which case it's Nazgul (Zan+Lug backwards).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722138)
'Nazgul' doesn't gleam, though.

Perhaps it's an opulent Numenorean king, with a name in Adunaic?

You're telling me that their rings ('nazg') aren't shiny? It's just as gleamy as 'Ringbearer'. ;)

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
RINGBEARER - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
NAZGUL - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

Theme: Characters named after (shiny) gems, metals, and jewellery.

Over to Urwen, I believe; a hard-fought and hard-won password all round. :)

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 09:50 AM

I have just one question: whose Argeleb?

Pervinca Took 04-02-2020 09:54 AM

Sounds like one of the chieftains of the Dunedain?

… oh, a King of Arthedain, while they still had kings, and he ended up being king of the whole of Arnor, as the two other lines failed.

Urwen 04-02-2020 11:17 AM

1. Renounce him in disarray.
2. She is endlessly angry, and backward.
3. A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
4. A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
5. Scattered sodium reveals him.
6. Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
7. A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
8. A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
9. A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
10. Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

Huinesoron 04-02-2020 03:12 PM

Yeah, Argeleb was one of a long line of Ar-s in Arthedain, but I couldn't have told you which. :)

Now, for your password... I like the look of these clues. One that jumps out at me is #9, which sounds like a name of the form ELE????NE. A logical guess would be ELESTIRNE, who I know you've been thinking around; I can't make 'stir' the beginning or acronym of anything, but I'm happy to assume it could be.

#7... Shakespeare had many kings, but the one that leaps to mind (and I think the only one who's 'King' in the title of his play) is LEAR. I'm seeing the clue as indicating an anagram of his name around a direction... ELMAR the Numenorean is a possible, though M-as-direction is a stretch (Middle?).

hS

Urwen 04-02-2020 03:33 PM

'Briefly' applied to north-east, actually, to produce NE.

1. Renounce him in disarray.
2. She is endlessly angry, and backward.
3. A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
4. A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
5. Scattered sodium reveals him.
6. Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
7. A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
8. A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
10. Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

No to rest. You have the right king, though.

Pervinca Took 04-03-2020 05:08 AM

The ornamental plate could be a ROUNDEL, but no luck yet mixing it with greetings.

Urwen 04-03-2020 06:10 AM

No. You're focusing on known synonyms/definitions too much, when you should also be mindful of less common synonyms/definitions waiting to trip you up.

Urwen 04-06-2020 05:41 AM

Also try solving the easier ones first.

Pervinca Took 04-06-2020 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722202)
Also try solving the easier ones first.

I was about to say that there aren't any easier ones.

However, DEN within NILE could give ELENDIL, for the 'cave' one.

Huinesoron 04-06-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722203)
I was about to say that there aren't any easier ones.

There's certainly some that look like they should be easier. #2, for example, and of course Urwen has already confirmed part of #7.

But 'looks easier' doesn't mean a lot when I haven't been able to come up with any answers for them. ^_^

hS

Urwen 04-06-2020 01:36 PM

Well, here is a hint: think on why I used Elestirne rather than Erendis. ;)

Pervinca Took 04-06-2020 02:19 PM

I did think of that, but neither epesses, nicknames nor sobriquets fit as password.

Is ELENDIL wrong? My guess for the cave one?

Urwen 04-06-2020 02:55 PM

Yes, it's wrong.

Huinesoron 04-07-2020 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722206)
Well, here is a hint: think on why I used Elestirne rather than Erendis. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722208)
I did think of that, but neither epesses, nicknames nor sobriquets fit as password.

The password could still end in NAMES, though. The Lear clue would start with A, which is possible. There's a number of names of the form AR_____EL, though the only one jumping out as female is AREDHEL (and AR-FEINIEL)... but again, 'edh' and 'feini' don't really look like directions. (Oh, and 'Ar-Zimraphel', I suppose... quick, gang, let's head north by north-zimraph!)

hS

Urwen 04-07-2020 06:21 AM

Try using this wiki.

Every other name comes from that wiki.

Pervinca Took 04-07-2020 06:48 AM

MOTHERNAMES, perhaps?

I don't think Nuneth gave Erendis the name Elestirne, though.

Urwen 04-07-2020 06:56 AM

Drop the head and you'll have it.

Pervinca Took 04-07-2020 06:58 AM

I'll try ALDOR for 8, but I can't account for the O.

LAD + ? + R.


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