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Urwen 10-08-2020 04:39 AM

That's more like it.

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 04:41 AM

New page:

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
8. - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729159)
And 10 is Rings of Power. Specifically, Dwarven Rings.

It is also not, though 'seven' is indeed an accurate count.

hS

Urwen 10-08-2020 04:48 AM

All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729162)
All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.

Margreet Zelle is the birth name of Mata HARI. :) And elephant also loses the A of 'HAPpy'. :)

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Galadriel55 10-08-2020 06:30 AM

Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 729165)
Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?

'in', a shorter form of within.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Galadriel55 10-08-2020 10:36 AM

#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 729175)
#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.

'Anar' is the right start (just about), but 'pattern' is the beginning of the straight clue; there's something else between.

hS

Urwen 10-08-2020 12:11 PM

Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729177)
Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)

That's the one!

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Galadriel55 10-08-2020 02:32 PM

6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.

Huinesoron 10-08-2020 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 729181)
6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.

'car' is the correct element for both of those, but it's not Carnil.

hS

Pervinca Took 10-09-2020 04:40 AM

'Seven set' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.

Huinesoron 10-09-2020 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 729187)
'Seven sets' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.

You're kind of on the right track, but why Orion? He's not particularly famous for his seven-ness (though I guess he does have seven main stars + the nebula... there's a lot of sevenness going on in the night sky, actually).

No anagrams involved. :)

hS

Urwen 10-09-2020 06:02 AM

10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?

Huinesoron 10-09-2020 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729189)
10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?

Even simpler than that: Vala (singular, 'Power') + circa ('around, approximately'). :)

They were of course specifically set by Varda as a warning to Melkor.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Urwen 10-09-2020 06:44 AM

6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.

Huinesoron 10-09-2020 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729192)
6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.

Nope; as said a few posts up, 'car' was the correct element for red (and there's no mention of stars in the clue).

hS

Urwen 10-09-2020 11:38 AM

Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...

Urwen 10-09-2020 11:43 AM

But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.

Huinesoron 10-09-2020 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729199)
Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...

I mean, I promise something does. :D But I didn't say "vehicle in the back"; I just said "in back".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729200)
But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.

It's ye olde spelling. ^_^ (Tolkien would hit me for typing that.)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Urwen 10-09-2020 04:47 PM

Is there another word for 'in the back'?

Pervinca Took 10-10-2020 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729204)
Is there another word for 'in the back'?

Rear?

Urwen 10-10-2020 03:17 AM

Carrock?

Huinesoron 10-10-2020 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729204)
Is there another word for 'in the back'?

I still didn't say "in the back".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729209)
Carrock?

Nope, though you have the right element.

hS

Urwen 10-10-2020 02:54 PM

So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck? :confused:

Huinesoron 10-10-2020 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729211)
So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck? :confused:

Again, I didn't say 'the right elements'... I wasn't talking about the components of the word.

If you break it up right, "or a vowel vehicle in back" literally spells out the answer.

hS

Urwen 10-10-2020 03:28 PM

I don't get it.

Huinesoron 10-12-2020 05:10 AM

A quick hintthrough of the remaining clues:

3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!

Two words of this are a straight clue; the rest is orthographic.

5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!

'different filling' indicates one letter has been changed.

6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.

Everything after the dash is just me spelling out the word; it can be broken into four parts (and you already know that 'vehicle' = car).

7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.

"The first is | the east. The pirate agrees | so turn it on its head". The last part is neither straight nor cryptic; probably best to ignore it.

9. - Rings around the lower back.

The cryptic clue here is 3 words long and points to a single English word.

11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.

The misspelling of 'shepherd' was unintentional. ^_^' Find two words and then remove one; there's only so many 'shepherd' options in Middle-earth, right?

12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

The T. rex in question is not the dinosaur. :)

hS

Galadriel55 10-12-2020 06:39 AM

6. OROCARNI. (facepalm)

Huinesoron 10-12-2020 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 729220)
6. OROCARNI. (facepalm)

Or + a vowel + vehicle + in, back(wards). The Red Mountains in the east of Middle-earth.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Urwen 10-13-2020 02:52 AM

For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????

Huinesoron 10-13-2020 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729224)
For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????

'Ent' is correct for the shepherd, but 'fen' is not. 'Chemical-swamp' is in order, and 'ent' is present with no anagramming necessary.

hS

Urwen 10-13-2020 05:05 AM

Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?

Huinesoron 10-13-2020 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729227)
Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?

That is one of the things you need to figure out, yes. :)

But I'm not a fan of super broad clues. I wouldn't have clued the 'swamp' half with 'landform' or something, for example.

hS

Urwen 10-13-2020 08:43 AM

Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...

Huinesoron 10-13-2020 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729231)
Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...

Not Maglor, but you're right in removing 'ENT' from the 'chemical' half of the clue.

What sort of chemical is silver?

hS

Urwen 10-13-2020 09:51 AM

Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?

Huinesoron 10-13-2020 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 729233)
Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?

Indeed it is. :)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

hS

Pervinca Took 10-15-2020 10:31 AM

Wares of elves? :D


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