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Mithalwen 10-06-2013 03:47 PM

Indeed and a tragic hero himself.

Pervinca Took 10-06-2013 03:58 PM

Indeed he was.

His office is preserved in Bletchley Park, with (allegedly) his mug padlocked to a radiator so no-one else could use it. I even bought my dad a book called Enigma (or something with Enigma in the title) for Christmas last year (from the Bletchley Park shop). (EDIT: Actually I don't think it was called Enigma, but Colossus).

I considered Miruvor, but couldn't make it work! - uv - very clever. I couldn't do anything at all with the unseen rays! I was convinced it started with mir (jewel) but couldn't do the rest ... no luck putting fea on the end (although I did trying suffixing it with the word gin!)

Galadriel, why did you think the T clue began TO?

Time for another, as we're all awake? :)

1. Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
2. French cup changes note for a Telerin digit.
3. Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
4. One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
5. Near palindrome and heir apparent.

Galadriel55 10-06-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 686956)
Galadriel, why did you think the T clue began TO?

An endless Tom Bombadil. As things rarely start with Bombadi-, I thought I'd look for To-'s.

4. Amarie?

Mithalwen 10-06-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 686954)
9. Miruvor. (mir+uv+or, makes a spirit/drink) That was clever. I only realized after I had the word that the spirit part doesn't mean ghost or something similar.

I'm convinced that the second letter of the T clue is O, but I can't find the right To- person. Unless it's Tolman, but he's hardly a tragic hero.

Edit: xed with Pervinca. Ahhhhh! And I thought that it's Tom losing the M. Very clever. :)

Miruvor is correct though that is moot now

Pervinca Took 10-06-2013 04:36 PM

I'm really sorry, Mith. I counted up all the clues as solved and didn't realise that you hadn't at that point confirmed Miruvor. I should have waited. :( Also Galadriel's post jumped onto the last page as I edited two of my previous posts together to remove a double post (I had posted separately at first because I know edits don't always show up on your Kindle).

And it was a great password - really challenging (as were the clues).

1. Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
2. French cup changes note for a Telerin digit.
3. Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
AMARIE: One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
5. Near palindrome and heir apparent.

Correct (although I haven't seen Marie biscuits for quite a few years).

Mithalwen 10-14-2013 11:49 AM

TASSA for 2
telerin for index finger apparently after a speculative google swapping the e of tasse for an a

Pervinca Took 10-14-2013 12:58 PM

Indeed! I don't know how the need of a word for an index finger arose when JRRT was writing about the Teleri. If someone burned a fleet of your ships, you'd probably shake your fist rather than waggle your forefinger severely. But then, we're not elves. ;)

1. Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
TASSA: French cup changes note for a Telerin digit.
3. Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
AMARIE: One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
5. Near palindrome and heir apparent.

Mithalwen 10-14-2013 01:12 PM

I am more curious why there is a quenya word for hermaphrodite ...

Pervinca Took 10-14-2013 01:48 PM

Eep! I can't really think of an answer for that ....

Mithalwen 10-14-2013 03:07 PM

http://www.silmarillionwritersguild....f/22_words.php
Ahem

Mithalwen 10-17-2013 11:32 AM

Hum bit of a stab in the dark but Sam for no 1? I had thought it would begin with H..hama's initial but the t makes that unlikely. However the finale made me think to work backwards and sam was son of a gardener ..but not at all confident.

Pervinca Took 10-17-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 687071)
Hum bit of a stab in the dark but Sam for no 1? I had thought it would begin with H..hama's initial but the t makes that unlikely. However the finale made me think to work backwards and sam was son of a gardener ..but not at all confident.

Not Sam, and you're right about Hama's initial.

It isn't a "conventional" password. It's a bit like Galadriel's last one. ;)

Mithalwen 10-17-2013 04:00 PM

HAMSON? Sam's big brother?

Pervinca Took 10-17-2013 04:17 PM

No. You're heading in the right direction, and you're right about the H, but there's a crucial cryptic part of the clue that you're not using.

Galadriel55 10-17-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 687076)
No. You're heading in the right direction, and you're right about the H, but there's a crucial cryptic part of the clue that you're not using.

Well, it can hardly be Hendlike, can it? ;)

Pervinca Took 10-17-2013 05:04 PM

No, it can't ... but why would it be?

It's actually pretty close, but who the blazes is Hendlike?

Galadriel55 10-17-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 687078)
It's actually pretty close, but who the blazes is Hendlike?

A character who fits the clue perfectly, but, unfortunately, does not exist. ;)

Pervinca Took 10-18-2013 08:48 AM

Ah, I see. "As" isn't part of the cryptic clue, though. I've only just realised where you got the "like" from.

It's not that hard. All you have to do is look at one of the family trees.

Galadriel55 10-19-2013 06:53 PM

Harret and Hepilogue don't seem to exist either. Guessing Harding just to tick him off the list of possibilities.

EDIT: It's a bit too early for the password, but, just a stab in the dark - AMON AMARTH?

Pervinca Took 10-19-2013 07:27 PM

Not Harding, but quite similar.

Not Amon Amarth, but you're right about it being two words - and in one sense quite close.

Mithalwen 10-22-2013 04:02 PM

Galadriel was so closem if itvis Hending son of Holman the greehanded.
Since one of the thes in Italian is gli and since strange may be an anagram hint I am wondering about a Gil...not that I am at all fixated on a certain High king...noooo

Pervinca Took 10-23-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 687152)
Galadriel was so closem if itvis Hending son of Holman the greehanded.
Since one of the thes in Italian is gli and since strange may be an anagram hint I am wondering about a Gil...not that I am at all fixated on a certain High king...noooo

Yes, H + ENDING (for finale).

"Strange" isn't in this case an anagram indicator (I hadn't even thought of that, actually, so it was not an intention to mislead). Maybe think of some synonyms for strange? ;)

HENDING: Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
TASSA: French cup changes note for a Telerin digit.
3. Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
AMARIE: One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
5. Near palindrome and heir apparent.

Mithalwen 10-23-2013 09:02 PM

Elmo?

Pervinca Took 10-24-2013 12:02 PM

No. You need to fulfil the "strange" aspect of the clue.

Mithalwen 10-24-2013 12:40 PM

Probably middle aged prejudice but the nearest I could get was emo plus l which is one of the italian thes.
Back to drawing board.

Mithalwen 10-24-2013 12:45 PM

Thesaurus suggests rum.. so Rumil? Of Lorien or not...

Pervinca Took 10-25-2013 06:46 AM

The thesaurus is right. I went to it with "rum" and found "strange." I'm sure I checked that "il" was one of the Italian words for "the," so I hope I'm right. I think one of the Medicis was referred to as "Il Magnifico."

One of the worthies of the Ivy Bush in the BBC radio dramatisation says "And they're rum folk in Buckland, living on the wrong side of Brandywine river and all." I'm not sure if those precise words appear in the book, though.

HENDING: Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
TASSA: French cup changes note for a Telerin digit.
RUMIL: Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
AMARIE: One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
5. Near palindrome and heir apparent.

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Oh just to clarify I deliberately excluded Celebrimbor and Deagol since I feel Ringbearer signifys more than haviing them in your possession for longer than "ooh shiny! mine! No! Aargh!"
Forgot to say that the bolded bit above made me chuckle when you posted it and brightened up my day. ;)

Mithalwen 10-25-2013 10:58 AM

It is... I think the book says queer.*kindlesearch reveals no use of rum" but I have heard it..it just was one of those words that I recognise rather than think of.

Pervinca Took 10-25-2013 03:55 PM

I've heard the expression "It's a rum do." My dad has said it a few times. As for the BBC dramatisation, in the same scene someone (Daddy Twofoot, possibly) does say "Bag End is a queer place, and its folk are queerer," and I think someone else uses the word too, so perhaps "rum folk" was just to avoid using the same expression too many times within one scene.

Mithalwen 10-26-2013 04:38 AM

I have heard rum lot, and the Forsyte saga has rum titoo which seems to appear nowhere else.

Pervinca Took 10-26-2013 06:10 AM

Soooo - how about the password? It should be pretty easy now. ;)

Quote:

rum titoo
?

Mithalwen 10-26-2013 12:16 PM

I suppose it is Parth Galen but the palindrome is tricky unless it is a word like palindrome and is Paladin, though I think he was heir presumptive at the time of LOTR.

Mithalwen 10-26-2013 12:52 PM

Or Pippin..spent so long gawping at family trees I forgot about nicknames.

Pervinca Took 10-26-2013 01:24 PM

Both correct. Pippin is very nearly a palindrome, and is the heir-apparent to the Thainship at the time of LOTR. Whether it was hereditary but one could decline, or the system was more elective, however, I'm not completely sure.

HENDING: Hama’s initial finale as a gardener’s son.
T***A: French cup changes note for a Telerin digit. (TASSA).
RUMIL: Strange the Italian should merge in this elf.
AMARIE: One buttery biscuit that Finrod loved.
PIPPIN:: Near palindrome and heir apparent.

Answer = PARTH GALEN.

Well done, and over to you. :)

EDIT: Whoops! The word "***" sets off the auto-censor, but was only created because I put bold codes either side of it, to highlight the fact that the password goes up the first column of letters and down the last ones.

Mithalwen 11-04-2013 03:04 PM

1 NINIEL Drippy girl.
2 AEGLOS Lo! Sage bewildered gives arm for hero.
3 American mystique muddled elf.
4 Article originated ranging in the South.
5 Mount mythical bird before entrance alternatively?
6 IANT IAUR Old Elvish spanner
7 in France this twisted "The Lion King" by substituting ruler.

Pervinca Took 11-04-2013 03:51 PM

2. Aeglos?

EDIT: 1. Niniel or Nienor? (Niniel is the more teary one semantically, I think).

Mithalwen 11-04-2013 04:16 PM

Both correct. I would have accepted either but was thinking Niniel.

Pervinca Took 11-04-2013 04:45 PM

I wonder if the spanner could be a ford instead of a bridge - Sarn Athrad? Original Elvish name of Sarn Ford.

Mithalwen 11-04-2013 05:35 PM

Not Sarn Athrad..mainly because I nevererdovit before.

Galadriel55 11-04-2013 09:00 PM

6. Iant Iaur?


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