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Kath 04-30-2020 02:51 AM

For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath (Post 722853)
For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

Less specific than that. :)

For the new page:

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
4. - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
8. - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 03:42 AM

Well, in the Tale of Years in the Appendices, it says 'passing of the Ringbearers and end of the Third Age.' That's what I've always assumed to be the indicator.

They have 25th March as New Year's Day in Gondor, though, once the Ring is destroyed. Confusing, eh?

...

Finarfin DOES sound like someone who would drink tea, you know. ;) Fingolfin is more the lager chap, I'd say. Feanor probably had a lethal home-brew of his own making.

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722857)
Well, in the Tale of Years in the Appendices, it says 'passing of the Ringbearers and end of the Third Age.' That's what I've always assumed to be the indicator.

They have 25th March as New Year's Day in Gondor, though, once the Ring is destroyed. Confusung, eh?

Don't worry - once I'd checked, I wasn't expressing disbelief at you so much as at Gondor. (Though apparently the Shire manages to start the Fourth Age in a different year to the rest of the world - blasted Hobbits!)

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 03:50 AM

I know. ;) No worries.

Isn't 8 stars? (Above Cuivienen).

4. Idril and Tuor ... Earendil ... Elros ... Aragorn.

Or is it the other Minas Tirith, perhaps ... the First Age one?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722857)
Finarfin DOES sound like someone who would drink tea, you know. ;) Fingolfin is more the lager chap, I'd say. Feanor probably had a lethal home-brew of his own making.

This is dangerously plausible.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722860)
I know. ;) No worries.

Isn't 8 stars? (Above Cuivienen).

I don't think you can "see by stars", but if you could be fractionally more specific...?

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722860)
4. Idril and Tuor ... Earendil ... Elros ... Aragorn.

Or is it the other Minas Tirith, perhaps ... the First Age one?

It's the Third Age one, but this is the wrong lineage. :)

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 04:19 AM

Starlight?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722862)
Starlight?

There it is. :)

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
4. - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

(I'll probably become less picky as time wears on, but I was confident you'd get it with a prompting.)

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 04:23 AM

Lineage:

Elwe - Luthien - Dior - Elwing - Elros - ... - Aragorn?

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 04:29 AM

5. QUENYA, which means 'language?'

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722865)
Lineage:

Elwe - Luthien - Dior - Elwing - Elros - ... - Aragorn?

Nooowhere near the right lineage.

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722866)
5. QUENYA, which means 'language?'

You're closer with 'language' than 'Quenya'; I draw your attention to that very flexible word 'by'.

hS

Urwen 04-30-2020 05:03 AM

Maybe something to do with Ingwe?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722868)
Maybe something to do with Ingwe?

Possibly even further off.

I was being very precise with both the start and end points of the lineage in question.

hS

Urwen 04-30-2020 05:12 AM

Oh, wait. Telperion to White Tree of Gondor?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722870)
Oh, wait. Telperion to White Tree of Gondor?

Spot on (though I wouldn't count Telperion, personally: Galathilion was made in his image, not an actual descendent). Which makes the answer:

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

hS

Urwen 04-30-2020 05:27 AM

11. Eye (six of his titles contain 'eye' and I counted)

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722874)
11. Eye (six of his titles contain 'eye' and I counted)

I am impressed, but it isn't the answer.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 05:51 AM

1. Creation? (The Ainur).

Loving Urwen's 'eye' guess!

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 05:53 AM

5. Tongues or words, possibly in elvish?

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 05:56 AM

Sorry: AINULINDALE for 1, which I think means creation?

(Vernacular).

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath (Post 722853)
For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

The SOUTH?

Or Sunlands?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722876)
1. Creation? (The Ainur).

Oh, I think we can be more specific than that. :) But yes, that's the Song in question. (The Ainulindale is what they sang, not what they sang about.)

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722877)
5. Tongues or words, possibly in elvish?

Correct. You use your tongue to speak your tongue.

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722879)
The SOUTH?

Or Sunlands?

Correct!

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 06:01 AM

Golden treasure:

Gold rinG ?

Well, it's between two GG's!

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 06:02 AM

1. ARDA? Or world?

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 06:09 AM

Unless golden treasure is EGG, as in Bilbo's riddle. GG and an E from ... somewhere ... but written differently, (ie jumbled).

Or YOLK, the golden treasure within the same 'riddle egg' - the YOKE that might be between two horses, written differently?

Ot does it occur between the 'thirty white horses' riddle and another riddle that maybe mentions a horse in one of the lines? (Although I don't think there is one).

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 06:21 AM

10. Spirit or fea? (Sent into the One Ring).

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722881)
Golden treasure:

Gold rinG ?

Well, it's between two GG's!

-_-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722882)
1. ARDA? Or world?

WORLD it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722883)
Unless golden treasure is EGG, as in Bilbo's riddle. GG and an E from ... somewhere ... but written differently, (ie jumbled).

Or YOLK, the golden treasure within the same 'riddle egg' - the YOKE that might be between two horses, written differently?

Ot does it occur between the 'thirty white horses' riddle and another riddle that maybe mentions a horse in one of the lines? (Although I don't think there is one).

And YOKE/YOLK is correct (the golden treasure is in the egg, per the riddle.)

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722885)
10. Spirit or fea? (Sent into the One Ring).

This one is not correct, though very sneaky.

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 08:17 AM

Is 13 TREES - Telperion and Laurelin, 'replaced' once to my knowledge by unmagical versions - were they 'replaced' again? (Very weighty inverted commas).

I know we've had TREE already, but there could be a cunning plan to have another, unexpected, arboreous clue! :D

...

More treeishness:

2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of

HELM. 75% of warriors had one.

3/4 of HELM is ELM.

3/4 of the Ents in the battle at Helm's Deep were spirits who had taken the bodies of ELMS as opposed to other trees.

I tried ….

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722893)
Is 13 TREES - Telperion and Laurelin, 'replaced' once to my knowledge by unmagical versions - were they 'replaced' again? (Very weighty inverted commas).

I know we've had TREE already, but there could be a cunning plan to have another, unexpected, arboreous clue! :D

It is not, but you're sort of in the right concept-space. How were the Two Trees replaced?

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722893)
More treeishness:

2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of

HELM. 75% of warriors had one.

3/4 of HELM is ELM.

3/4 of the Ents in the battle at Helm's Deep were spirits who had taken the bodies of ELMS as opposed to other trees.

I tried .

o.O Er... no. Though you're entirely right that the first 3/4 indicates that the clause is providing three quarters of the word for you.

I struggled a bit with this one; if it's any help, I wanted to name Feanor and Turin as relevant warriors, but wasn't sure they were really useful.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 10:36 AM

OK ... could 13 be LIGHTS? The Lamps of the Valar, replaced by the Two Trees, replaced by the Sun and Moon?

I think you're being over-generous regarding my grasp of the 3/4 aspect in clue 2!

Galadriel55 04-30-2020 10:46 AM

A bit of a random guess for 6, but - East Wind?

Also, 10. MOUTH? ^.^

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722906)
OK ... could 13 be LIGHTS? The Lamps of the Valar, replaced by the Two Trees, replaced by the Sun and Moon?

Precisely, and you said the right word in there too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 722907)
A bit of a random guess for 6, but - East Wind?

Ooooh, I want to quibble this, but... EAST is the answer, with the East Wind being its breath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 722907)
Also, 10. MOUTH? ^.^

Yep! :D

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
EAST - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
MOUTH - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
LAMP - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

Good grief, only five to go already?

hS

Galadriel55 04-30-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 722908)
Good grief, only five to go already?

Yeah, but they are the ones that are harder to crack. ;)

I am beating my head over 11. The only answer that gets triggered by 6 is "Gollum's teeth". I've gone over various countable things that Sauron could have six of, down to "letters in a name" and other silly things. Could he have had 6 forms/shapes/bodies? I can't list that many *known* ones, and I guess they aren't entirely countable as he could change his shape at will in his early days and who knows how many he went through.

I have a feeling that "by another title" is cue for a punny answer based on his other names...

Urwen 04-30-2020 01:15 PM

I can help make the clues easier. The password is 'Written symbols'.

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 722913)
Yeah, but they are the ones that are harder to crack. ;)

I am beating my head over 11. The only answer that gets triggered by 6 is "Gollum's teeth". I've gone over various countable things that Sauron could have six of, down to "letters in a name" and other silly things. Could he have had 6 forms/shapes/bodies? I can't list that many *known* ones, and I guess they aren't entirely countable as he could change his shape at will in his early days and who knows how many he went through.

I have a feeling that "by another title" is cue for a punny answer based on his other names...

Ha, no, nothing to do with teeth. I think it kind of is a punny question, and is based on one of Sauron's titles, just like it says.

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Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722914)
I can help make the clues easier. The password is 'Written symbols'.

It is indeed! Very good. (Now, can you figure out why?)

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. R - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. I - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
EAST - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. N - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
MOUTH - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. B - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. O - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
LAMP - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 02:48 PM

Did Feanor write an ABC book for the Tengwar letters, and use symbols of these things because they had the right initials? :D

(Lame even by my standards).

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722922)
Did Feanor write an ABC book for the Tengwar letters, and use symbols of these things because they had the right initials? :D

(Lame even by my standards).

Um... kind of... pretty much yeah?

hS

Urwen 04-30-2020 03:05 PM

11. The Biggest (with his Big Bosses; I presume he had six of those.)

Pervinca Took 04-30-2020 03:19 PM

11. BODIES?

Vampire, snake, another animal I can't remember, Annatar, real Sauron pre- Akallabeth, rebuilt but maimed body in the Third Age?

Huinesoron 04-30-2020 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 722924)
11. The Biggest (with his Big Bosses; I presume he had six of those.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 722926)
11. BODIES?

Vampire, snake, another animal I can't remember, Annatar, real Sauron pre- Akallabeth, rebuilt but maimed body in the Third Age?

No and no. I think this is the only clue which even comes close to cryptic.

hS


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