Could Moria ever be retransformed into a good mine? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Alchrivëwen · 02-21-2002, 08:31 AM

The Balrog's dead and it isn't too hard to kill orcs and trolls, so do you think that Moria could be restored???? Personally, I do.

Birdland · 02-21-2002, 09:04 AM

With the fall of Sauron, I'm quite sure the Dwarves would return eventually. Their love of Moria, and the lure of the riches there, especially mithril, would bring them back.

[ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

Niphredil Baggins · 02-21-2002, 09:57 AM

Of course! if I were a dwarf I would be among the first ones to make an attempt!
Besides, there is a 'Durin the seventh and last' in the dwarven family tree in the appendixes, and where else would a Durin rule but in Khazad-Dum? Balin, when he was killed by an orc, had gone to see if he could see the crown in Kheled-Zaram and thus become the next Durin.

Anarya SilverBranch · 02-21-2002, 10:09 AM

I can't help but feel though that the damage done in Moria is too severe. After a place has been raveged by a demon of the old world,
I don't think it can be that easily, that quickly. It is too much.

***Sharkû*** · 02-21-2002, 10:49 AM

The dwarves did have a suspiciously big amount of mithril for the reforging of the gate of Minas Tirith, so chances are high they were pretty quick to return to Khazad-Dûm. Whether the mine, that Elves found uncanny long before the Balrog and the orcs (see the definition of Khazad-Dûm in the Silmarillion) could ever be onjectively unflawed and utterly beautiful, is another matter.

Alchrivëwen · 02-21-2002, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Niphredil Baggins:
<STRONG>Of course! if I were a dwarf I would be among the first ones to make an attempt!
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I never said that the dwarfs wouldn't try Im asking if the damage isn't to great that was caused by the orcs raidings on it and the balrog's inhabiting

Voronwe · 02-21-2002, 12:55 PM

The following quote is from Peoples of Middle Earth. It was probably omitted from Appendix A.

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And the line of Dain prospered, and the wealth and renown of the kingship was renewed, until there arose again for the last time an heir of that House that bore the name of Durin, and he returned to Moria; and there was light again in deep places, and the ringing of hammers and the harping of harps, until the world grew old and the Dwarves failed and the days of Durin's race were ended.

So, provided this quote is authorative, the dwarves are led back to Moria by Durin VII (the last incarnation of Durin), and Moria is restored to some of its former splendor, for a while. I expect this happened some time during the fourth age.

-Voronwë

02-21-2002, 03:41 PM

The Balrog's dead? I thought he just fell back into the darkness. Or did Gandalf finish the job down there?

Alchrivëwen · 02-21-2002, 03:45 PM

gandalf finished the job

Anarya SilverBranch · 02-21-2002, 03:50 PM

I think Gandalf talks about it in the Chapter, The White Rider, I don't have the book with me to quote it.

Aralaithiel · 02-21-2002, 04:08 PM

I was hoping the dwarves would have a last hurrah sort of thing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Hey...why don't you write a fan fiction about it? Cool story idea!

[ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Aralaithiel ]

Anarya SilverBranch · 02-21-2002, 04:11 PM

Someone should do that fan fiction thing about the retaking of moria. I would like to read that.

Elendur · 02-21-2002, 05:22 PM

Gandalf did not kill the Balrog down in the chasm of Khazad-Dum. They fought on the peak of Zirak Zigul (sp.) and the Balrog was pushed over the edge falling to his death.

What happened to his spirit I dont know.

Alchrivëwen · 02-21-2002, 08:59 PM

OOOOOOoooooooooooo lemme write the fanfiction

02-22-2002, 03:38 PM

I don't see why not. Though the way Gimli drools over the caves at Helm's Deep they might have gone there first. If memory serves, the dwarves 'dissapear' from memory by diging in deep.

02-21-2002, 08:31 AM	#1
Alchrivëwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everywhere and aywhere, look behind you! Posts: 56	Could Moria ever be retransformed into a good mine? The Balrog's dead and it isn't too hard to kill orcs and trolls, so do you think that Moria could be restored???? Personally, I do. __________________ A Elbereth Gilthoniel!

02-21-2002, 09:57 AM	#3
Niphredil Baggins Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 118	Of course! if I were a dwarf I would be among the first ones to make an attempt! Besides, there is a 'Durin the seventh and last' in the dwarven family tree in the appendixes, and where else would a Durin rule but in Khazad-Dum? Balin, when he was killed by an orc, had gone to see if he could see the crown in Kheled-Zaram and thus become the next Durin. __________________ Wistful, willful, wingless, fly!

02-21-2002, 10:09 AM	#4
Anarya SilverBranch Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In maiden meditation, fancy free. Posts: 245	I can't help but feel though that the damage done in Moria is too severe. After a place has been raveged by a demon of the old world, I don't think it can be that easily, that quickly. It is too much. __________________ Snow white! Snow White! O' Lady Clear! O' Queen Beyond the Western Seas! O' light to us that wander here amid the world of woven trees!

02-21-2002, 03:45 PM	#9
Alchrivëwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everywhere and aywhere, look behind you! Posts: 56	gandalf finished the job __________________ A Elbereth Gilthoniel!

02-21-2002, 03:50 PM	#10
Anarya SilverBranch Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In maiden meditation, fancy free. Posts: 245	I think Gandalf talks about it in the Chapter, The White Rider, I don't have the book with me to quote it. __________________ Snow white! Snow White! O' Lady Clear! O' Queen Beyond the Western Seas! O' light to us that wander here amid the world of woven trees!

02-21-2002, 09:04 AM	#2
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,757	With the fall of Sauron, I'm quite sure the Dwarves would return eventually. Their love of Moria, and the lure of the riches there, especially mithril, would bring them back. [ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

02-21-2002, 10:49 AM	#5
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	The dwarves did have a suspiciously big amount of mithril for the reforging of the gate of Minas Tirith, so chances are high they were pretty quick to return to Khazad-Dûm. Whether the mine, that Elves found uncanny long before the Balrog and the orcs (see the definition of Khazad-Dûm in the Silmarillion) could ever be onjectively unflawed and utterly beautiful, is another matter.

02-21-2002, 03:41 PM	#8
solikat Guest Posts: n/a	The Balrog's dead? I thought he just fell back into the darkness. Or did Gandalf finish the job down there?

02-21-2002, 04:08 PM	#11
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	I was hoping the dwarves would have a last hurrah sort of thing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Hey...why don't you write a fan fiction about it? Cool story idea! [ February 21, 2002: Message edited by: Aralaithiel ] __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

02-21-2002, 04:11 PM	#12
Anarya SilverBranch Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In maiden meditation, fancy free. Posts: 245	Someone should do that fan fiction thing about the retaking of moria. I would like to read that. __________________ Snow white! Snow White! O' Lady Clear! O' Queen Beyond the Western Seas! O' light to us that wander here amid the world of woven trees!

02-21-2002, 05:22 PM	#13
Elendur Wight Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Arnor Posts: 200	Gandalf did not kill the Balrog down in the chasm of Khazad-Dum. They fought on the peak of Zirak Zigul (sp.) and the Balrog was pushed over the edge falling to his death. What happened to his spirit I dont know. __________________ Son of Isildur.

02-21-2002, 08:59 PM	#14
Alchrivëwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everywhere and aywhere, look behind you! Posts: 56	OOOOOOoooooooooooo lemme write the fanfiction __________________ A Elbereth Gilthoniel!

02-22-2002, 03:38 PM	#15
Orc Guest Posts: n/a	I don't see why not. Though the way Gimli drools over the caves at Helm's Deep they might have gone there first. If memory serves, the dwarves 'dissapear' from memory by diging in deep.