The Balrog as the Loathly Lady from medieval literature.

[monks]

Hi all, further to my recent post on here regarding the riddle of the hidden images on the West Wall of Moria. In that I claimed that the Balrog was The Loathly Lady from medieval literature. Here's the post.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...wap#post727926


Today I discovered further important supporting evidence. In the literature the Loathly Lady is more than once referred to as carrying a whip of many thongs. For the moment, the evidence is presented in the 'West Pool' section of Part II. If you click on the link you can find the West Pool in the contents section at the top.


You can read my full articles on the Riddle of the Hidden West Gate images here:

Part I

http://www.thewindrose.net/blogs/the...ate-drawing-2/

Part II

http://www.thewindrose.net/blogs/the...awing-part-ii/


You can find another recent post on here of mine about the 102 predictions to date I've made regarding details of the texts of Tolkien's works.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...382#post728382

You can find the predictions in the pdf on my website here: http://www.thewindrose.net/predictions/

Cheers,
Have a nice day!

monks

[Morthoron]

I am uninterested in clickbait. I will just say that it is evident you have never actually researched the "loathly lady" folklore motif.

The Irish kingship tales of Níall Nóigíallach and Lugaid mac Dáire, Chaucer's “Wife of Bath's Tale,” Gower's “Tale of Florent,” as well as “The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle,” and “The Marriage of Sir Gawain” all concern transformative motifs wherein the hag proves to be a counselor to the male protagonist, who learns a valuable lesson and is rewarded.

Any other coincidences you wish to magnify are extraneous, and I would suggest in the case of the Balrog, ridiculously irrelevant.

[monks]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

I am uninterested in clickbait. I will just say that it is evident you have never actually researched the "loathly lady" folklore motif.

The Irish kingship tales of Níall Nóigíallach and Lugaid mac Dáire, Chaucer's “Wife of Bath's Tale,” Gower's “Tale of Florent,” as well as “The Wedding of Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle,” and “The Marriage of Sir Gawain” all concern transformative motifs wherein the hag proves to be a counselor to the male protagonist, who learns a valuable lesson and is rewarded.

Any other coincidences you wish to magnify are extraneous, and I would suggest in the case of the Balrog, ridiculously irrelevant.

Hi, here's some more clickbait for you. I want YOU specifically YOU, to stay in this thread and fight me. I'll be waiting for you. Do NOT run away.

Tolkien Prediction #71 from my website...

That Tolkien would refer to Shelob as 'loathly' or loathsome'.

Hardly had Sam hidden the light of the star-glass when she came. A little way ahead and to his left he saw suddenly, issuing from a black hole of shadow under the cliff, the most loathly shape that he had ever beheld, horrible beyond the horror of an evil dream. Most like a spider she was, but huger than the great hunting beasts, and more terrible than they because of the evil purpose in her remorseless eyes.

As you can see Tolkien went all the way with that one.

The Balrog and Shelob are manifestations of the same idea. It's all right and left handed geometry (male and female) which describes the 'battle of the sexes' and the Loathly Lady theme which runs throughout the entirety of his works beginning at the Discords of Melkor. The geometry is created in the hands sequence of Ilúvatar. It's a dialectic. Plato's 'The Republic' and 'The Timaeus', the source for the geometry- Tolkien's use of the right-angled triangle, the Spindle of Necessity, and the dialectic.



There are 101 more predictions of that nature on my website which have been generated from the above understanding of his works. It's all geometry and mathematics folks.

I see you have none so far "Morthoron". Do let me know when you have one.

And you can see the hidden images in the cliff face which Tolkien left. Here's the oppressed, meek lady and the man who rules over her.

http://www.thewindrose.net/westgate_waterfallfaces2/

You may note the left wing of the cloak extended which is the same left wing in Priya Seth's anagram MINE HOLE FALL, HELD LEFT WING in her book 'Breaking the Tolkien Code'.

Here's the inversion of the oppressed meek lady- the Loathly Lady, the Balrog. This is the same image as the previous one but turned upside down.

http://www.thewindrose.net/westgatebalrogwaterfall/

And here's the Lovely Lady on the right of the cliff face.

http://www.thewindrose.net/predictio...te_sexuality2/

The Lovely Lady I pointed out in the cliff face..yes? That's what the Balrog (and Shelob and all other manifestations of the theme) turns into- metaphorically.

Yes the transformation does indeed occur. Follow the link below where I posted my first prediction of the 102 so far...and read about how the female is restored from the south to her rightful place as the Sun in the north. And then come back here and we'll have a little chat...and you may see that I actually made prediction #102 predicting that the etymological root of the word 'attentive' was from 'to stretch' (I was correct..it derives from tendere "stretch," from PIE root *ten- "to stretch.") while writing the last post in that thread on the hoof.

You'll find the explanation of the machinery which drives the transformation throughout this post here.

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...d=1#post728372

monks

[Morthoron]

Sorry, uninterested in nonsensical conjecture about coincidences that do not at all apply to the motifs clearly established, and which Tolkien would plainly understand.

I will not be replying further. As I have already surmised, you are not who you say you are "Monks". And since we have never had discourse previously but you evidently know who I am, I would suggest you end your little clickbait charade.

[monks]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Sorry, uninterested in nonsensical conjecture about coincidences that do not at all apply to the motifs clearly established, and which Tolkien would plainly understand.

I will not be replying further. As I have already surmised, you are not who you say you are "Monks". And since we have never had discourse previously but you evidently know who I am, I would suggest you end your little clickbait charade.

haha...Morthy baby. Bet that's the first time you've seen anything resembling an etymological definition in a looooong time huh?

You actually thought that I'd come online and post and not even know that there is a transformation of the Loathly Lady to the Lovely Lady?? haha..That just shows you how far up yourself you are. 15 years pal. Several 1000 etymological definitions from the forensic study of the words in Tolkien's texts directly.

That there is the language Tolkien speaks. You don't. Because?....repeat after me...YOU_KNOW_IT_ALL already right?

Clive Kilby knew Tolkien was hiding a lot. Clive Kilby unlike you, actually spent time with Tolkien. Tolkien even told him he had a lot to reveal. And there we are with those images hidden in the cliff face. Not related at all to that fact..nuuuuu. lol And I come along and can explain them and Seth's anagrams too.

I DARE you to take me on in front of all of your homies here. I will wipe the floor with you. It'll be a lot of evidence and proof -and lot of etymological definitions.

He got the "transformation" from Haggard's 'She' btw..and the Scarab rolling the Sun around the world as it did in myth. And that "transformation" takes on a geometric meaning. It's Tolkien's implementation of The Wheel of Fortune which is what Seth's anagrams are about.

Now run along and keep pretending that you know everything and go snuggle up with your Tolkien comfort blanket eh?

I'll be waiting right here just in case you grow a set

monks

[mindil]

Let's say that your approach is correct. Let's imagine that you have completed your study of Tolkien and managed to connect every possible word with every possible symbol. You have identified hundreds or thousands of patterns.

Your conclusion so far has been that Tolkien is predictable and uses patterns. Is that all your study has to offer? Is all you have to teach us the fact that he is predictable and uses patterns? What does that predictability tell us further? Is there anything to learn from the sort of patterns you find in Tolkien?

Do we now know that he was a numerologist? A member of a secret society? Is his book a secret code to the apocalypse? In which case, what is the secret message?

It should be clear to you by now that extremely few people are going to pursue your line of research. But that's OK, all research is done by a few for the benefit of the many. Scientific researchers don't tell their readers: "If you want to know how to use the results of our study, do it yourself." They present their useful conclusions in the plainest language possible.

So please tell us: What overall new, insightful insight do we now know about Tolkien and his opus, thanks to his predictability and patterns. I don't want to know the details of 6s and 9s. I want to know what single, meaningful large insight you have to share that grows out of all those tiny details, without hearing a single one of those details.

That's what researchers do in every other field. They tell me that anti-oxidants protect against toxins, without my having to understand a single thing about bio-chemistry.

Please tell me what meaningful conclusion you have to offer, without my having to read a single word of any of your patterns and predictions.

Thank you in advance.