Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kath

Right - is there any point in me doing anything right now? Do we have a tie situation? What is going on? I am confused, I do not like the idea that I have the deciding vote. Please could someone let me know while I go think.

There is a tie. If you vote Gaunt, Lommy will live and Gaunt will die.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Right - is there any point in me doing anything right now? Do we have a tie situation? What is going on? I am confused, I do not like the idea that I have the deciding vote. Please could someone let me know while I go think.

There is tie. If you don't vote, I die and we lose the game. If you vote me, I die and we lose the game. If you vote Gaunt, he dies, and no one knows what happens. Hopefully, a wolf dies and the game goes on.

edit: xed with Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Spare us.

[Kath]

And if neither of you is a wolf and the pair is Gwath and Di? Oh I do not know. Lommy or Gaunt. Lommy or Gaunt. I suspect Lommy, which in all likelihood means she is innocent. I do not suspect Gaunt. From that I have to vote Lommy. But I don't know!

How did this happen - I can't be trusted to make decisions like this!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

And if neither of you is a wolf and the pair is Gwath and Di? Oh I do not know. Lommy or Gaunt. Lommy or Gaunt. I suspect Lommy, which in all likelihood means she is innocent. I do not suspect Gaunt. From that I have to vote Lommy. But I don't know!

How did this happen - I can't be trusted to make decisions like this!

Well, Kath, it's just a game. Don't take it too seriously.

[Kath]

Ha, you've been talking to Agan.

I know it's a game - but I don't want the wolves to win!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

I know it's a game - but I don't want the wolves to win!

Then vote Gaunt and cross your fingers.

[Gwathagor]

I think you should stop talking and let her think.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I think you should stop talking and let her think.

That was not nice of you, Gwath. If I was talking instead of being silent I'd be posting much more. I'd add a few more words, but I won't, because I agree we should let her think (and not quarrel with each other because our opinions seem rather clear).

[Kath]

++LOMMY

Ok, I've decided. It's gut feeling. It's not a sure one. I want to go and hide under a cushion until tomorrow morning because I will care less then if I'm wrong. If I am then I'm sorry - but I shouldn't be given this amount of power!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

++LOMMY

Ok, I've decided. It's gut feeling. It's not a sure one. I want to go and hide under a cushion until tomorrow morning because I will care less then if I'm wrong. If I am then I'm sorry - but I shouldn't be given this amount of power!

Oh Kath, have nice time under the pillow, but know that I forgive you.

Congratulations, wolves. Well done. I won't embarrass myself by guessing your identities, but I'm still saying I bet we should have paid Di more attention after all.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

That was not nice of you, Gwath. If I was talking instead of being silent I'd be posting much more. I'd add a few more words, but I won't, because I agree we should let her think (and not quarrel with each other because our opinions seem rather clear).

I hope I didn't sound too rude, but you were pressuring her pretty hard, and it was starting to worry me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Everyone has voted. Thinlómien will die soon.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The number of Wargs was diminishing rapidly; such wisdom had been extirpated from the world so that Middle-earth itself cried. But the fate of Arda was yet in the balance, for the enemies of Wargs were nearly caught, much as their mission was nearly complete.

They circled around Thinlómien, who had a wild and argumentative glare in her eyes. She would not go down without a fight, nay! a tumultuous battle. The being who had assumed her form cast aside the image of Lommy and burst forward in a blaze of violence.

"Curse the Wargs!" it bellowed. "I am the mighty Aulë and I shall complete my mission, born as it was out of the glory of Valinor!" And Aulë tore into the Wargs.

But there were too many. Even had his comrade joined him they were outnumbered, and unable to defeat the supremacy of Wargs, and so the hidden murderer remained with the Wargs for now, and helped them vanquish the nigh-unvanquishable Vala.

Goodness! It was no wolf! It was an enemy of the Wargs; and undoubtedly the other one is also an enemy of Wargs, and hence no wolf. The prophecy was apt all along. One remained.


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The Living

Kath
Gwathagor
Diamond
Gaunt

The Dead

SamwiseGamgee (Guardian)
Kitanna (Warg)
Groin Redbeard (Warg)
Nogrod (Warg)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Manwë)
Shastanis Althreduin (Warg)
Rune Son of Bjarne (Seer)
Gollum the Great (Warg)
Mithalwen (Warg)
Thinlómien (Aulë)

Victorious

Brinniel (Melkor)





Night 6 has come. No talking in the village. Villain, send me a name.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Kath was dead. That noble Warg of furious temperament and stirring rage, her of the blazing eyes and brutal sense of honour and vengeance; who had stood fully eight feet tall, on all fours, and had tasted the sweet blood of nine times a hundred worthy enemies -- she lay slain on the ground.

Now there were three.


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The Living

Gwathagor
Diamond
Gaunt

The Dead

SamwiseGamgee (Guardian)
Kitanna (Warg)
Groin Redbeard (Warg)
Nogrod (Warg)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Manwë)
Shastanis Althreduin (Warg)
Rune Son of Bjarne (Seer)
Gollum the Great (Warg)
Mithalwen (Warg)
Thinlómien (Aulë)
Kath (Warg)

Victorious

Brinniel (Melkor)



The final day has come.

[Gwathagor]

Any last words, Diamond?

[Diamond18]

I like butterflies.

[Diamond18]

Also,

++Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Well said.

++Diamond18

[Gwathagor]

If you don't vote, Gaunt, I'm never going to give you a positive rep. Ever.

[Diamond18]

Heh. That would be a funny way to end the game. Though I might be the only one laughing....

[Gaunt]

There's little left to say...

++Diamond18

[Diamond18]

Don't you want to guess my secret identity before Eomer just tells you? Hmmmmm?

[Mithalwen]

You are Ulmo, Lord of Waters and I claim my five pounds?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm sure they're dying to find out. Well, let's not wait for no reason, eh?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gaunt and Gwathagor didn't even try to debate with Diamond. They had accused her of murder and determined to slay her with righteous vengeance. She batted them off with jests for a while, but as the rage grew in their eyes, and the battle-fury rose to an unstoppable height, she transformed from the form of the True Warg Diamond into the glorious figure of the ally of Manwë and Aulë, those bringers of Warg death. Ulmo was here.

He gave a terrible, piercing shriek, but the Wargs leapt upon him, howling with the pain of all their fellows, and especially the will of those who had been deviously slaughtered by these despicable fiends: for SamwiseGamgee, for Kitanna, for Groin Redbeard, for Nogrod, for Shastanis Althreduin, for Rune Son of Bjarne, for Gollum the Great, for Mithalwen, and for Kath; but also for Legate of Amon Lanc, for Brinniel, for Thinlómien, and for Diamond, who let us not forget were also slain and used in such a reprehensible way by the Valar: these magnificent Wargs were avenged by Gwathagor and Gaunt, brave warriors who, with great honour, tore Ulmo to shreds there in the sacred place of the Wargs. And so this tale has been preserved, by the friends and descendents of Gwathagor and of Gaunt.


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The Dead

SamwiseGamgee (Guardian)
Kitanna (Warg)
Groin Redbeard (Warg)
Nogrod (Warg)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Manwë)
Shastanis Althreduin (Warg)
Rune Son of Bjarne (Seer)
Gollum the Great (Warg)
Mithalwen (Warg)
Thinlómien (Aulë)
Kath (Warg)
Diamond (Ulmo)

Victorious

Brinniel (Melkor)
Gwathagor (Warg)
Gaunt (Warg)

The End

[Mithalwen]

Now master Eomer - please will you explain what was going on with the prophecies and particularly Melkor?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I don't know what to say. The narration seemed pretty obvious to me.

[Mithalwen]

But would something have happened on the third day if Manwe hadn't been lynched? Would Melkor have started killing on his/her own account. All that pair stuff was doing my head in....

And who did Rune dream of. Did he dream of me? I thought my game was over when he was killed and shown to be the seer.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Indeed, Eomer, I believe perhaps some more elaboration would be good for us simple-minded ones All I can tell you other folks is that at the moment I became Manwë - at the beginning of Day 3, until then, I was a perfectly normal Ordo who had no idea what is going to happen - I was given the identity of the two other "baddies" and could talk to them. Not that it remained for long... but I had no idea about Brinniel, nor about any bond between us, and I would like to know what was Brinniel's role.

Anyway, besides that, a nice game, Eomer - and these prophecies and other things just made it more interesting (although a little confusing...) And it was nice to play with all of you others too, although I have to add, it would have been far, far better had people participated more in this game (already from the beginning). WW is indeed about discussion and not about silence...

And just a last thing, I must say it was very, very, very unfortunate that I was already suspected quite enough already as an Ordo ( ) so I was lynched quite easily. See? How unjust! Suspected, while innocent; and when guilty at last, lynched for something I even haven't done! - Because from large part, I was lynched for something I did when innocent! How rude!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Indeed, I have a couple of regrets about this game, both of which were understandable and difficult to avoid, though. It was a shame some players couldn't participate more, but really this can't be helped; it happens sometimes.

Also about the Manwë and Melkor idea. It would have been nice to see them survive longer than one day. Unfortunately my options were very limited, because some people couldn't be relied upon to participate, and also I didn't want to pick anyone Rune had dreamed about. I had hoped for a bit of a chase, actually, with Legate slowly realising he was under attack from an unknown source; however, as it happened Brinniel didn't have to do anything to get the victory.

I was actually worried when those two disappeared, that the game would be a wash-out. Thankfully, it survived, and the players made it work.

A couple of points about specific players. I've been sad this whole time that Samwise was killed the first day. As a couple of you may know, he is one of the pillars of the Warg and Warg Rider Appreciation thread, and this game was designed partly to entertain him! Conversely, delighted that my friend Gaunt gained such success on his first Werewolf outing.

Mith, I'm sure Rune will be happy to tell you about his Seer escapades. Yes, he discovered your innocence.

Oh, and one other thing: they were not wolves. You people really need to get into the spirit of the story.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, and also, with the cry "where is everybody", I am sure we are waiting to know things like:

- Who did Rune dream about? (Excellent job anyway, btw. And just so that you know, it was me who nailed you, to warm my own soup a bit and I gave you away to the Wolves - they did not have a clue about who might be the Seer - or so I heard - but I suspected you from being something special, and possibly rather Seer than anything else, from the start.)
- Why did Wolves pick the ones they picked? (Okay, now Lommy is not around, but hopefully tomorrow by this time or after that, or if Di is around and has some spare time, she could tell us.)

Oh, and apologies to our poor Ranger You see, at lest I really thought you a Wolf... that's what happens when the village is too democratic yet too undecided

EDIT: x-ed with Eomer. Yup, and okay, substitue "Wolves" for "nassty Valar"... But hey, you still did not actually say what was Melkor supposed to do! Or, respectively, what were his powers! And what he knew! And what was his objective! I mean, come on!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Brinniel knew that you were Manwë, Legate. Her sole objective was to get you lynched. As it happened, it was a non-event because the village had decided to kill you anyway.

I also thought Rune did a great job as Seer. His information regarding Mith and Kath was very clear to the village. Kudos, then, to you Legate for catching him, even though he had done significant damage already.

[Brinniel]

To be specific, this is the PM I was given:

Originally Posted by Eomer

Brinniel, your role has changed. The Warg whose character you were playing has been slain in the night by 'he who shadows the master' -- the Dark Lord himself, Melkor! You are now playing the role of Melkor.

Your one aim in this game is to kill, or otherwise cripple, the one you have been stalking all this time: Manwë, who has entered the game this night too. He has slain the Warg known as 'Legate' and assumed his form.

Once you bring about Legate's downfall, by manipulating the Wargs to lynch him, the game will be finished for you, and be considered a great success.

Manwë knows not that Melkor is present in the village. You are hidden from him.

So yeah, once my role was changed my entire focus went towards getting Legate lynched. While I knew his role, I had no idea what tasks that role involved, only that he had no idea about me. Once the Day began, it was pretty easy to get Legate lynched; I admit I really didn't have to do any convincing...the village was already pretty keen on lynching him. Which is why I didn't go on an all-out attack on him and instead more gradually picked up my suspicions towards him.

Anyways, it was a good game with an interesting turn at the end (just when you thought the traitors would win, we finally catch one ultimately thanks to Kath who was put into a tough situation). I do wish I could've been around more on Day 1 and 2 (sorry about that). And I must admit I was pretty confused regarding roles...after my role was changed, I wondered how many other experimental roles were out there and if anyone else would be given new roles throughout the game.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Eomer

and also I didn't want to pick anyone Rune had dreamed about.

This bothered me a great deal and was the main reason I did not want to reveal my role, I was unsure about people I had dreamt about being transformed.

Night1: Groin
Night2: Kath
Night3: Mith
Night4: Gaunt

(I think that was how it went)
The night I was killed I realised that Lommy was most likely an enemy of the wargs, even so I did not want to dream about her. My plan was to dream about people that was either relatively quiet or people I might have a baised oppinion about. I did not want to dream about people like Legate, Lommy and Nogrod as they where the most likely to be killed by either village or enemy of the wargs.

I am very sorry that I failed you all and especially Groin, by not being able to save him from being lynched. . . but I really had no opportunety to get online.

If I had survived I would most likely have dreamt about Di or Gollum.

Ever since I played my first werewolf game long ago I have always wanted to be the Seer and now it finaly happened. . . I so wanted to be a great seer, but I failed.
So I never got to quote Leonard Cohen "Your servant here, he has been told, to say it clear, to say it cold: It's over, it ain't going any further"

Anyways, thanks Eomer for making me the seer, it was an amazing experience for me.

[Thinlómien]

Well, this was a nice game, but the post-game discussion has been even more silent than the game itself...

I think this game was every now and then really quite a lot of fun, and rather ironic too. Here I was, a wolf telling the innocents who the seer dreamt of (being completely honest and even right about it) and they didn't even take my word of it. It was absurd!

Speaking of seerism, I have to praise both Rune and Legate. Rune managed to reveal his dreams clearly but unseerishly - I thought he was maybe a little weird and a bit too innocent, but I didn't really catch him. I needed Legate to point him out for me - and he did it rather effortlessly.

And by the way, I wanted to hit Eomer with something when I heard he had made Legate my fellow wolf (sorry, I mean Vala) - right after that ridiculously long lovers joke Nogrod had invented. It was just too bad. He was an excellent mate, though, a pity you stupid people killed him so soon. Diamond was great too, I only wish she would have had more time. Because we did have fun, but I think we could have had even more fun.

I must congratulate Gwath and Gaunt for winning the game - you played really well, I would rather have been on your side, almost. Gaunt's werewolf debute was most impressive. And I must apologise to Kath for teasing her - I just had to. *evil grin*

As for those kills - let me first apologise to Kitanna and Nogrod, who were both playing so well and nicely. I chose them both without Diamond's help and just because they looked slightly seerish to me. (And Nogrod because of whom he believed innocent, NOT because he "suspected" me. Later I realised killing him was really bad move, but oh well, I didn't know Legate was to become my fellow back then when I picked Nog.) You know why Rune was killed and Mith's death was because she looked like a "dreamt of innocent" and because nobody suspected her.

That's my rambles for a while I guess - no, wait, thanks to Eomer for a good game... and I have to add that I too was a little displeased with Sam's going on the first Day, given how extremely rarely he plays. But a game is a game...

[Gaunt]

Thanks to Eomer for a thoroughly entertaining first game of werewolf.

I have to admit up until the near the end my suspicions were all over the place (a day earlier Thinlomien-Ulmo had me firmly believing she was a fellow innocent!)

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Gaunt

I have to admit up until the near the end my suspicions were all over the place (a day earlier Thinlomien-Ulmo had me firmly believing she was a fellow innocent!)

I should have gone for her right from the start instead of Nogrod. Oh well, at least she was Aule and not one of those other Valar, I think that I can forgive her more easily now! Great job thanks for modding the game, Eomer, and congratulations again to all the new WW players. See y'all in the next game!

[Diamond18]

I wish I'd been able to be around more -- it's so fun to be a wo... er, Valar and yet the two times I've been one, I've had practically no time. The first time it worked out well because it made me a submarine wolf but this time I think it didn't go so well because I rarely had any idea what was going on. Lommy basically played the whole thing by herself (coming up with the kill choices and posting) except for the one day she had Legate. When she died I knew it was over for me since I was the only one who didn't vote to lynch her, but even if I had a chance it wouldn't have felt quite right to win without her.... Ah well, it was still fun to be "bad." I think it I hadn't been a Valar I might have done as Shasta did and dropped out, because it was so hard to find time. Curses!

[Gwathagor]

Did I mention that I've never actually survived a game of werewolf before?