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Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 04:48 PM

Yes, you are also close.
Now you have to combine the idea of "Ulmo" with your idea of "music/sound". Good luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

EfR

Samwise · 01-19-2004, 05:25 PM

No clue no clue no clue....

Bilbo singing his last song when he sailed to the west??

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-19-2004, 05:40 PM

No.
Hint: Don't come up with new persons.
All you need has already been said.

Ulmo by my work can be heard,
fills hearts with joy - but mind!
never stays a longing despair behind.

Extra hint: What did I do for Ulmo? ... Well ... something out of white shell [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

EfR

[ 6:42 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Gil-Galad · 01-20-2004, 06:22 PM

i'ma guess Elwing

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-20-2004, 06:27 PM

No, not Elwing.

Samwise · 01-20-2004, 06:31 PM

someone like a special bard of Ulmo's or something? That used a white shell as an instrument? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-20-2004, 06:32 PM

Yes, you come very very close Samwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
It was an instrument made out of white shell for Ulmo. I would like to have the name of its maker. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Additional hint: The name is mentioned in The Silmarillion, but not in the Valaquenta.

EfR

[ 7:34 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

Celegorm · 01-21-2004, 01:53 PM

The Ulumúri have been made by Salmar, but symestreem allready answered that two days ago:

Quote:

Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 03:02 PM

Mmhmm ... what can I do now ... leave the board and never come back ? ... I am so sorry symestreem, but I must have overlooked your post. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

The thread is yours, of course.

Greetings,
EfR

Many thanks to Celegorm for insisting. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
And apologies to all those who kept on guessing when the answer was already given.

symestreem · 01-21-2004, 06:34 PM

That's quite alright, Master Elrond. Please don't leave the board! Your puzzles would be missed.

Here we are:

Steward's friend, friend of kings,
Mixed up in all the rings and things.
I was a prince of old
swift and bold.

I know the last line sounds stupid (if the whole thing sounds stupid, please don't enlighten me), but it makes a sort of sense. If this seems too much like a cryptic clue, I'm sorry. Also, name the steward if you can.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 06:39 PM

Well, I suppose I couldn't have left, even had I wanted to. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

So here is my first guess:

The Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth?
He was a friend of Faramir and of Elessar Telcontar.

EfR

Finwe · 01-21-2004, 07:09 PM

Boromir? Denethor?

Gil-Galad · 01-21-2004, 07:11 PM

Aragorn was friend of Echthelion II of Gondor and of Thengel of Rohan, of course he got mixed up in the rings, he was still a prince at the age of 87 or something, and was swift and bold

Samwise · 01-21-2004, 07:45 PM

Hm. Don't know why, the first part reminds me of Gandalf...and the second...Isildur?

Gil-Galad · 01-22-2004, 07:57 AM

I don't think that Gandalf was really friend of stewards, after seeing Denethors reaction to him

symestreem · 01-22-2004, 04:19 PM

It is none of these. The steward in question is not Denethor, and it is not the person per se who is swift. It is something relating to him.

Estanesse · 01-22-2004, 05:17 PM

Elrond descended from the high king of the Noldor. Friend of Gandalf who is a steward and Isildur a king.
The swift part doesn’t fit very well, but you never know. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

symestreem · 01-23-2004, 06:32 AM

You're getting closer. The steward is not your typical steward, nor is the prince your typical prince (he is not the heir to any throne). However, the kings are your typical kings.

Finwe · 01-23-2004, 11:51 AM

Could it be Pippin?

Gandalf was described as a steward, and Pippin is definitely his friend.
Pippin was indeed an extraordinary man (another definition of "prince") and was called Ernil i Pheriannath ("Prince of the Halflings") in Gondor, effectively making him a "Prince."
He was definitely mixed up in the War of the Rings.
He was also swift and bold in rescuing Faramir and realizing that he would have to defy the orders of Denethor to do so.

[ 12:52 PM January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Finwe ]

Celegorm · 01-23-2004, 12:49 PM

Since Finwe said, Gandalf was described as a steward, I got a new idea:

Shadowfax!?
He is a friend of Gandalf and "belongs" to Theoden. He is a heir of the great Horses of old.

symestreem · 01-24-2004, 01:09 PM

Finwe is correct. It is Pippin; the "swift" part was actually a play on the word Peregrin, since the peregrine falcon is swift indeed.

Finwe · 01-24-2004, 09:15 PM

Ha, ok.

Old am I,
An enigma am I,
Oldest,
Without a parent,
Yet light-hearted am I,
and singer am I.

Samwise · 01-24-2004, 09:37 PM

Tom Bombadil?

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 08:37 PM

Yeah, either Tom Bombadil or Treebeard, though since he sings it's Bombadil by my opinion

Finwe · 01-27-2004, 08:46 PM

Samwise got it. Tom Bombadil it is.

Samwise · 01-27-2004, 11:10 PM

Really?? Okay, a new riddle....hm...

One of thirteen,
surprising, the locks
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased.

Eeep...hope this is right....

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 11:15 PM

I was too late on the last easy puzzle, but I'll get this one, by Illuvatar!

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 11:16 PM

thirteen, thirteen, what does that remind me of? The number of dwarves who went with Bilbo, if I recall Hobbit? And there was this map and key of Thorin.

I don't have much hope on this one, but is it Thorin?

One of thirteen,
surprising, the locks
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased.

[ 12:18 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ]

Samwise · 01-27-2004, 11:24 PM

Nope....

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 11:27 PM

I knew it. Can you at least tell us where it is from? What book? Becuase I'm going to have no idea if it's from lays of Bereliland

Samwise · 01-27-2004, 11:30 PM

Well, this should make it easy, but I can never think of hard things...it's from Return of the King.

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 11:33 PM

locks - that brings only two things to my mind. Galadriel's locks of hair - and the paths of the dead, where there is a locked door that someone could not unlock.

Am I just stupid or am I ignorant? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Probably both.

[ 12:35 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ]

Samwise · 01-27-2004, 11:36 PM

Mmm...no, but the person is female.

I have to get off, but I'll be back on tomorrow. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Eorl of Rohan · 01-27-2004, 11:39 PM

That settles it. There are only very few female characters of note -

Eowyn, Arwen Evenstar, Ioreth the healer...

It must be Eowyn. It must be. But why?

01-28-2004, 01:55 AM

Must Be Eowyn? Why? Is there anything in her with "13" on it?

Eorl of Rohan · 01-28-2004, 02:08 AM

The problem is the the first two lines I cannot understand, and last two lines cane be either eowyn and Ioreth.

Eowyn, becuase it is foltold that no man would kill the witch king and she did. And also.

Ioreth, who said that The hand of a king is a hand of a healer and so the rightful heir will be known.

What beats me is the word thirteen.

Evisse the Blue · 01-28-2004, 07:34 AM

My guess would be Goldilocks, Sam and Rosie's daughter.

One of thirteen, - Sam and Rosie had 13 children
surprising, the locks - the fact that she had golden locks was a surprise to hobbits
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased - hint to the fact that hobbits still exist, but are very good at hiding from the Big Folk? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ 8:38 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ]

Gil-Galad · 01-28-2004, 07:59 AM

Too me its Beren, Warden of the keys

One of thirteen,-the first Beren, which was where he took hsi name from was with his father and other men as "outlaws" or dorthonion
surprising, the locks-warden of the keys
one of a key to a future-gaves keys to saruman
that many may believe has ceased.-saruman was no longed ally?

i have a strange feeling that this Beren was a female

Samwise · 01-28-2004, 08:05 AM

Bravo, Evisse the Blue !! Correct on all counts! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Pray proceed! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Evisse the Blue · 01-30-2004, 07:24 AM

whoa, uncanny. I'm usually so bad at guessing these riddles. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I'll have to ask you to bear with me for a couple of days, till I think of the next one: it's exam period for me; but I won't let that get in the way of coming up with a new riddle asap! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-19-2004, 05:25 PM	#642
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	No clue no clue no clue.... Bilbo singing his last song when he sailed to the west?? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-19-2004, 05:40 PM	#643
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No. Hint: Don't come up with new persons. All you need has already been said. Ulmo by my work can be heard, fills hearts with joy - but mind! never stays a longing despair behind. Extra hint: What did I do for Ulmo? ... Well ... something out of white shell [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] EfR <font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:42 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-20-2004, 06:22 PM	#644
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	i'ma guess Elwing __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-20-2004, 06:31 PM	#646
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	someone like a special bard of Ulmo's or something? That used a white shell as an instrument? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-20-2004, 06:32 PM	#647
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Yes, you come very very close Samwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It was an instrument made out of white shell for Ulmo. I would like to have the name of its maker. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Additional hint: The name is mentioned in The Silmarillion, but not in the Valaquenta. EfR <font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:34 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

01-19-2004, 04:48 PM	#641
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Yes, you are also close. Now you have to combine the idea of "Ulmo" with your idea of "music/sound". Good luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] EfR

01-20-2004, 06:27 PM	#645
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	No, not Elwing.

01-21-2004, 03:02 PM	#649
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Mmhmm ... what can I do now ... leave the board and never come back ? ... I am so sorry symestreem, but I must have overlooked your post. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] The thread is yours, of course. Greetings, EfR Many thanks to Celegorm for insisting. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And apologies to all those who kept on guessing when the answer was already given.

01-21-2004, 06:34 PM	#650
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	That's quite alright, Master Elrond. Please don't leave the board! Your puzzles would be missed. Here we are: Steward's friend, friend of kings, Mixed up in all the rings and things. I was a prince of old swift and bold. I know the last line sounds stupid (if the whole thing sounds stupid, please don't enlighten me), but it makes a sort of sense. If this seems too much like a cryptic clue, I'm sorry. Also, name the steward if you can. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-21-2004, 06:39 PM	#651
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Well, I suppose I couldn't have left, even had I wanted to. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] So here is my first guess: The Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth? He was a friend of Faramir and of Elessar Telcontar. EfR

01-21-2004, 07:09 PM	#652
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Boromir? Denethor? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-21-2004, 07:11 PM	#653
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Aragorn was friend of Echthelion II of Gondor and of Thengel of Rohan, of course he got mixed up in the rings, he was still a prince at the age of 87 or something, and was swift and bold __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-21-2004, 07:45 PM	#654
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Hm. Don't know why, the first part reminds me of Gandalf...and the second...Isildur? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-22-2004, 07:57 AM	#655
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	I don't think that Gandalf was really friend of stewards, after seeing Denethors reaction to him __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-22-2004, 04:19 PM	#656
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	It is none of these. The steward in question is not Denethor, and it is not the person per se who is swift. It is something relating to him. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-22-2004, 05:17 PM	#657
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Elrond descended from the high king of the Noldor. Friend of Gandalf who is a steward and Isildur a king. The swift part doesn’t fit very well, but you never know. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

01-23-2004, 06:32 AM	#658
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	You're getting closer. The steward is not your typical steward, nor is the prince your typical prince (he is not the heir to any throne). However, the kings are your typical kings. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-23-2004, 11:51 AM	#659
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Could it be Pippin? Gandalf was described as a steward, and Pippin is definitely his friend. Pippin was indeed an extraordinary man (another definition of "prince") and was called Ernil i Pheriannath ("Prince of the Halflings") in Gondor, effectively making him a "Prince." He was definitely mixed up in the War of the Rings. He was also swift and bold in rescuing Faramir and realizing that he would have to defy the orders of Denethor to do so. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:52 PM January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Finwe ] __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-23-2004, 12:49 PM	#660
Celegorm Wight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 191	Since Finwe said, Gandalf was described as a steward, I got a new idea: Shadowfax!? He is a friend of Gandalf and "belongs" to Theoden. He is a heir of the great Horses of old. __________________ Namárië! Celegorm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-24-2004, 01:09 PM	#661
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 729	Finwe is correct. It is Pippin; the "swift" part was actually a play on the word Peregrin, since the peregrine falcon is swift indeed. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-24-2004, 09:15 PM	#662
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ha, ok. Old am I, An enigma am I, Oldest, Without a parent, Yet light-hearted am I, and singer am I. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-24-2004, 09:37 PM	#663
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Tom Bombadil? __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-27-2004, 08:37 PM	#664
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	Yeah, either Tom Bombadil or Treebeard, though since he sings it's Bombadil by my opinion __________________ There is no signature here.

01-27-2004, 08:46 PM	#665
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Samwise got it. Tom Bombadil it is. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-27-2004, 11:10 PM	#666
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Really?? Okay, a new riddle....hm... One of thirteen, surprising, the locks one of a key to a future that many may believe has ceased. Eeep...hope this is right.... __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-27-2004, 11:15 PM	#667
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	I was too late on the last easy puzzle, but I'll get this one, by Illuvatar! __________________ There is no signature here.

01-27-2004, 11:16 PM	#668
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	thirteen, thirteen, what does that remind me of? The number of dwarves who went with Bilbo, if I recall Hobbit? And there was this map and key of Thorin. I don't have much hope on this one, but is it Thorin? One of thirteen, surprising, the locks one of a key to a future that many may believe has ceased. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:18 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ] __________________ There is no signature here.

01-27-2004, 11:24 PM	#669
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Nope.... __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-27-2004, 11:27 PM	#670
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	I knew it. Can you at least tell us where it is from? What book? Becuase I'm going to have no idea if it's from lays of Bereliland __________________ There is no signature here.

01-27-2004, 11:30 PM	#671
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Well, this should make it easy, but I can never think of hard things...it's from Return of the King. __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-27-2004, 11:33 PM	#672
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	locks - that brings only two things to my mind. Galadriel's locks of hair - and the paths of the dead, where there is a locked door that someone could not unlock. Am I just stupid or am I ignorant? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Probably both. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:35 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ] __________________ There is no signature here.

01-27-2004, 11:36 PM	#673
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Mmm...no, but the person is female. I have to get off, but I'll be back on tomorrow. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

01-27-2004, 11:39 PM	#674
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	That settles it. There are only very few female characters of note - Eowyn, Arwen Evenstar, Ioreth the healer... It must be Eowyn. It must be. But why? __________________ There is no signature here.

01-28-2004, 01:55 AM	#675
Telperion Guest Posts: n/a	Must Be Eowyn? Why? Is there anything in her with "13" on it?

01-28-2004, 02:08 AM	#676
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	The problem is the the first two lines I cannot understand, and last two lines cane be either eowyn and Ioreth. Eowyn, becuase it is foltold that no man would kill the witch king and she did. And also. Ioreth, who said that The hand of a king is a hand of a healer and so the rightful heir will be known. What beats me is the word thirteen. __________________ There is no signature here.