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07-16-2009, 11:25 AM | #41 | |||
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Interesting discussion, everybody! Just a few notes, chiefly linguistic:
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I'm not sure how "King Morgûl" - Morgûl taken as a personal name - would be phrased correctly in Sindarin. (I have a hunch it might be Morgûl Aran - word order reversed, as in "Théoden King" - , but that's mere speculation.) Anyway, Aran Morgûl may well be ambiguous, especially for non-native speakers of Sindarin, and possibly translate as "King of Black Sorcery" or "King M.", depending on context. Gordis wrote: Quote:
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07-16-2009, 12:18 PM | #42 | ||
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Morover, (unlike Morgul) the name Angmar has nothing dark or ominous about it, most likely it refers to the presence of iron in the mountains. Also note this quote: Quote:
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07-16-2009, 01:15 PM | #43 | ||||||
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I have checked HOME 9 where there is the draft of the rejected LOTR Epilogue with Aragorn's letter to Sam in Sindarin. It is signed: Quote:
Edit: I've found some cases of "Aran" in HOME 12: Quote:
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07-16-2009, 01:57 PM | #44 |
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Sindarin also looks to have had a possessive article, alongside word order, to express a genitival construction (of). Consider the examples in Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed: Narn e-Dinuviel, 'Tale of Tinuviel' and Narn en-El *Tale of the Star (without proper diacritics here)
The Sindarin possessive article is discussed in some detail in Vinyar Tengwar 35, page 11 and note 27, along with examples like Ennyn Durin Aran Moria 'Doors (of) Durin, lord (of) Moria. |
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