Húrin knowing everything - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ethelion · 11-24-2011, 04:10 PM

Hi,

I have just finished reading The Children of Húrin, with The Wanderings of Húrin and have just gone back to the Silmarillion.

*Spoilers*
Húrin has met Mim the dwarf and I was wondering if I have missed something. Húrin seems to know all about Túrin and what happened to him, his dealings with the dwarf and about his Túrins death in detail when he spoke to Morwen at the grave.
I was wondering how he knew this? Did Morgoth tell him? Or something, maybe I read it and forgot.

Thanks for any help!

Inziladun · 11-24-2011, 05:27 PM

Welcome, ethelion.

During Húrin's captivity with Morgoth, he had been forced to watch the workings of Morgoth's curse. He was given Morgoth's powers of sight and perception as a means of torment, and thus knew all that had happened to Túrin.

ethelion · 11-25-2011, 05:00 AM

Oh ok, cool.

I just thought he was put on the chair and forced to look west. Really nasty thing to do.
Thanks for your help

Elmo · 11-26-2011, 05:21 PM

That Morgoth was a bad lad.

Faramir Jones · 12-02-2011, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo

That Morgoth was a bad lad.

This is the person who told Húrin that his family were at his mercy. Húrin then replied, 'You have none'.

Inziladun · 12-02-2011, 06:16 PM

To elaborate, the Introduction to The Children of Húrin has this to say about Húrin's experience as a prisoner of Morgoth:

Quote:

The torment that [Morgoth] devised for Húrin was 'to see with Morgoth's eyes'....if one were forced to look into Morgoth's eye he would 'see' (or receive in his mind from Morgoth's mind) a compellingly credible picture of events, distorted by Morgoth's bottomless malice; and if indeed any could refuse Morgoth's command, Húrin did not.

It goes on to say that Húrin wanted to look: to see what was happening to his kin, and also because he was proud enough to believe he could determine fact from lie out of what he saw.

11-24-2011, 04:10 PM	#1
ethelion Newly Deceased Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2	Húrin knowing everything Hi, I have just finished reading The Children of Húrin, with The Wanderings of Húrin and have just gone back to the Silmarillion. Spoilers Húrin has met Mim the dwarf and I was wondering if I have missed something. Húrin seems to know all about Túrin and what happened to him, his dealings with the dwarf and about his Túrins death in detail when he spoke to Morwen at the grave. I was wondering how he knew this? Did Morgoth tell him? Or something, maybe I read it and forgot. Thanks for any help!

11-24-2011, 05:27 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	Welcome, ethelion. During Húrin's captivity with Morgoth, he had been forced to watch the workings of Morgoth's curse. He was given Morgoth's powers of sight and perception as a means of torment, and thus knew all that had happened to Túrin. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

11-26-2011, 05:21 PM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	That Morgoth was a bad lad. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

11-25-2011, 05:00 AM	#3
ethelion Newly Deceased Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2	Oh ok, cool. I just thought he was put on the chair and forced to look west. Really nasty thing to do. Thanks for your help