What if... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Blue Elf · 01-25-2003, 01:56 PM

This is where you discuss "what if's" and the results (funny what if's, but nothing insane) such as, "What if Bilbo gave Frodo a fake Ring because he could not give up his own" or "What if Frodo dropped the Ring along the way" (hey, his chain did break on the Caradras...).

Oh, I have check the search, and there didn't seem to be a what if... except for "What if there was a different ringbearer" which is a different topic altogether.

So, let's start off with...

What if ...Gandalf had truly died in Moria?

(Note: does this topic belong more in the books section? I wasn't sure where it should go)

So, if Gandalf had died in Moria, what do you think might have happened? Well, for one, Saruman wouldn't be defeated, right? So then we have Saruman in the picture...but he would also be trapped by a storm of ents, so would it make a difference?

What do you think?

ElentariGreenleaf · 01-25-2003, 02:04 PM

I think if Gandalf had off really died, the Ents wouldn't have found out what Saruman was doing. But hte Valar would never let that happen! I can't believe he sailed! Now who's gonna look after middle earth....

Blue Elf · 01-25-2003, 02:13 PM

That's a good point....I don't think the hobbits would be able to do much, but maybe the rest of the Fellowship could warn the ents...no but it'd be too late. Oh, and I totally forgot about Theoden!! Without Gandalf to give away Grima Wormtongue, Theoden would probably be lending everything to Saruman.

In other words, maybe the Ring would never be destroyed...

And about Gandalf leaving, well, since Sauron is destroyed, the only thing Middle-Earth now needs to worry about is the greed of men. And that's quite a problem...(hey, look at our world...depressing sometimes...)

P.S. Is my avatar showing up? According to my friend, it isn't...

ElentariGreenleaf · 01-25-2003, 02:26 PM

Good point, and no it isn't.

Blue Elf · 01-25-2003, 02:36 PM

Oh well......at least I get to see my avatar!!

Maybe we should start a new "What if...".

What if...Bilbo gave Frodo a fake Ring because he couldn't part with the One Ring?

Well, the first immediate effect from that, is that we'd have Smeagol-Gollum and Bilbo-Gollum **shudder**

Meela · 01-25-2003, 02:39 PM

without gandalf, them lot at helms deep wouldnt have been saved by the rohirrim, aragorn, leg, and gimli wouldnt have gone to edoras, we would have been deprived of grima and never met him, and thered be no such thing as new wardrobes

Blue Elf · 01-25-2003, 02:42 PM

Helm's Deep might have been saved, but it wouldn't matter since Theoden would still be listening to Grima.

And, yes, we wouldn't have bleach. They should have given Saruman a rainbow dress for the movie...

I can imagine Frodo, about to toss the Ring in, thinking his quest is finished, tossing it, and the mouth of Sauron laughing insanely when nothing happens...

eleanor_niphredil · 01-25-2003, 03:35 PM

Helms deep wouldnt have had to be saved without Gandalf, as it is Sauruman who attacks.

What if Pippin chickened out at the last minute and refused to go on the quest? what if Elrond had got his way?

*Anuion* · 01-25-2003, 04:08 PM

Well,

If Elrond got his way then Éowin had died by the hands of the Witch King and where would be no one that was going for the Hobbit's when talking to the Mouth of Sauron.

But on the other hand. Than Gandalf would not have died in the Mine's of Moria.

But then again, Orthanc would not been destroyed by the Ent's either.

Greetings,

Anuion

eleanor_niphredil · 01-25-2003, 04:13 PM

Plus, Faramir would be dead, as Pippin could not have warned Beregond, who in turn would not have protected him. Then faramir could not have married eowyen, and she would have gone mad in the houses of healing.

Blue Elf · 01-25-2003, 04:44 PM

Plus, Pippin wouldn't have looked into the Palantir, and Gandalf or soomeone more powerful would have....and then if Sauron saw them, then they would be in trouble...

hobbit punk · 01-28-2003, 08:48 PM

Here's one: What if Bilbo never found the ring? Would Sauron still have looked for it? Or would it have remained lost forever in Gollum's cave? Do you think Sauron would have found it or maybe have had another one forged? Well then again he was the only one who could've forged a new one...and I don't think a giant eyeball can forge...Well anyway tell me what you think [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: hobbit punk ]

Blue Elf · 01-30-2003, 01:28 AM

I think Gollum would be eventually drawn to Sauron, perhaps...

01-25-2003, 01:56 PM	#1
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	What if... This is where you discuss "what if's" and the results (funny what if's, but nothing insane) such as, "What if Bilbo gave Frodo a fake Ring because he could not give up his own" or "What if Frodo dropped the Ring along the way" (hey, his chain did break on the Caradras...). Oh, I have check the search, and there didn't seem to be a what if... except for "What if there was a different ringbearer" which is a different topic altogether. So, let's start off with... What if ...Gandalf had truly died in Moria? (Note: does this topic belong more in the books section? I wasn't sure where it should go) So, if Gandalf had died in Moria, what do you think might have happened? Well, for one, Saruman wouldn't be defeated, right? So then we have Saruman in the picture...but he would also be trapped by a storm of ents, so would it make a difference? What do you think? __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!

01-25-2003, 02:04 PM	#2
ElentariGreenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Look, I'm over there! Posts: 517	I think if Gandalf had off really died, the Ents wouldn't have found out what Saruman was doing. But hte Valar would never let that happen! I can't believe he sailed! Now who's gonna look after middle earth.... __________________ There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. Website\|Art

01-25-2003, 02:13 PM	#3
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	That's a good point....I don't think the hobbits would be able to do much, but maybe the rest of the Fellowship could warn the ents...no but it'd be too late. Oh, and I totally forgot about Theoden!! Without Gandalf to give away Grima Wormtongue, Theoden would probably be lending everything to Saruman. In other words, maybe the Ring would never be destroyed... And about Gandalf leaving, well, since Sauron is destroyed, the only thing Middle-Earth now needs to worry about is the greed of men. And that's quite a problem...(hey, look at our world...depressing sometimes...) P.S. Is my avatar showing up? According to my friend, it isn't... __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!

01-25-2003, 02:26 PM	#4
ElentariGreenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Look, I'm over there! Posts: 517	Good point, and no it isn't. __________________ There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. Website\|Art

01-25-2003, 02:36 PM	#5
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	Oh well......at least I get to see my avatar!! Maybe we should start a new "What if...". What if...Bilbo gave Frodo a fake Ring because he couldn't part with the One Ring? Well, the first immediate effect from that, is that we'd have Smeagol-Gollum and Bilbo-Gollum shudder __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!

01-25-2003, 02:39 PM	#6
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,118	without gandalf, them lot at helms deep wouldnt have been saved by the rohirrim, aragorn, leg, and gimli wouldnt have gone to edoras, we would have been deprived of grima and never met him, and thered be no such thing as new wardrobes __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

01-25-2003, 02:42 PM	#7
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	Helm's Deep might have been saved, but it wouldn't matter since Theoden would still be listening to Grima. And, yes, we wouldn't have bleach. They should have given Saruman a rainbow dress for the movie... I can imagine Frodo, about to toss the Ring in, thinking his quest is finished, tossing it, and the mouth of Sauron laughing insanely when nothing happens... __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!

01-25-2003, 03:35 PM	#8
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 812	Helms deep wouldnt have had to be saved without Gandalf, as it is Sauruman who attacks. What if Pippin chickened out at the last minute and refused to go on the quest? what if Elrond had got his way? __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-25-2003, 04:08 PM	#9
Anuion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: All out trough Arda Posts: 19	Well, If Elrond got his way then Éowin had died by the hands of the Witch King and where would be no one that was going for the Hobbit's when talking to the Mouth of Sauron. But on the other hand. Than Gandalf would not have died in the Mine's of Moria. But then again, Orthanc would not been destroyed by the Ent's either. Greetings, Anuion __________________ This is just a temporarely account for until my real one works again. Sorry to it this way. My real account is Helkahothion.

01-25-2003, 04:13 PM	#10
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 812	Plus, Faramir would be dead, as Pippin could not have warned Beregond, who in turn would not have protected him. Then faramir could not have married eowyen, and she would have gone mad in the houses of healing. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-25-2003, 04:44 PM	#11
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	Plus, Pippin wouldn't have looked into the Palantir, and Gandalf or soomeone more powerful would have....and then if Sauron saw them, then they would be in trouble... __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!

01-28-2003, 08:48 PM	#12
hobbit punk Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 86	Here's one: What if Bilbo never found the ring? Would Sauron still have looked for it? Or would it have remained lost forever in Gollum's cave? Do you think Sauron would have found it or maybe have had another one forged? Well then again he was the only one who could've forged a new one...and I don't think a giant eyeball can forge...Well anyway tell me what you think [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: hobbit punk ] __________________ "The alphabet does not go "A B C D What? When? How? but it does go "V W X Why? Z." -Douglas Adams

01-30-2003, 01:28 AM	#13
Blue Elf Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gollum's cave Posts: 124	I think Gollum would be eventually drawn to Sauron, perhaps... __________________ ...and when I conquer the world, you can be in charge of my ray gun!