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11-02-2004, 03:05 PM

I dont know if this has been discused before but I had recently notices that Gondor and the Elves were the only civilizations that built towers, I believe that gondor builds towers because of the lineage to numenor, who were part elven, if im not mistaken. But you may say about Barad-Dur, I have through about this, and since sauron was under the service of melkor in the first age, and most of melkor's creations were made in mockery of other races (elves/orcs, trolls/ents etc.) so I believe that sauron, taking a page from Melkor, built Barad-Dur as a mockery of Minas Tirith and Minas Ithil. What do you nthink?

mark12_30 · 11-02-2004, 03:39 PM

I think you'll need to add valar/maiar to the list, since there are towers in Valinor; and that would take care of Sauron, and Melkor too (recall the Thangorodrim.)

And if you change "Gondor" to "Numenoreans", then you've got something interesting: Valar/Maiar, Elves, Numenoreans. Dol Amroth and Isengard, Minas Anor and Minas Ithil-- i think those are all of Numenorean origin? Elves of course built the white towers on the Tower Hills past the Shire.

Who built Amon Sul...? I forget.

akhtene · 11-02-2004, 05:11 PM

Amon Sul was built by Elendil (Numenorian) for keeping the Palantir

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 11-03-2004, 11:08 AM

I think it's logical to make high buildings when living at the sea like the Valar and the Numenoreans at some point did. They didn't have light houses (except in Mordor in the 3rd age...ehh - sorry) but a high building can be seen quite far on a clear day like one can see far from a tower as well. It's also an advantage in war if the approaching enemy can be seen as early as possible.

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-03-2004, 05:34 PM

The Rohirrim, while related to Numenoreans, weren't Numenoreans. So did
they build and/or improve Helm's Deep, or did Gondorians when they lived in
Calenardhon? (As Gondorians did build Orthanc).

11-03-2004, 11:42 PM

Im pretty sure the Rohirrim built Helms Deep, I think it was Helm Hammerhand.

11-02-2004, 03:05 PM	#1
gilgalad_the_Valiant Guest Posts: n/a	Middle Earth Architecture I dont know if this has been discused before but I had recently notices that Gondor and the Elves were the only civilizations that built towers, I believe that gondor builds towers because of the lineage to numenor, who were part elven, if im not mistaken. But you may say about Barad-Dur, I have through about this, and since sauron was under the service of melkor in the first age, and most of melkor's creations were made in mockery of other races (elves/orcs, trolls/ents etc.) so I believe that sauron, taking a page from Melkor, built Barad-Dur as a mockery of Minas Tirith and Minas Ithil. What do you nthink?

11-02-2004, 03:39 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I think you'll need to add valar/maiar to the list, since there are towers in Valinor; and that would take care of Sauron, and Melkor too (recall the Thangorodrim.) And if you change "Gondor" to "Numenoreans", then you've got something interesting: Valar/Maiar, Elves, Numenoreans. Dol Amroth and Isengard, Minas Anor and Minas Ithil-- i think those are all of Numenorean origin? Elves of course built the white towers on the Tower Hills past the Shire. Who built Amon Sul...? I forget. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

11-02-2004, 05:11 PM	#3
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	Amon Sul was built by Elendil (Numenorian) for keeping the Palantir __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

11-03-2004, 11:08 AM	#4
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	I think it's logical to make high buildings when living at the sea like the Valar and the Numenoreans at some point did. They didn't have light houses (except in Mordor in the 3rd age...ehh - sorry) but a high building can be seen quite far on a clear day like one can see far from a tower as well. It's also an advantage in war if the approaching enemy can be seen as early as possible. __________________ Fenris Wolf

11-03-2004, 05:34 PM	#5
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	The Rohirrim, while related to Numenoreans, weren't Numenoreans. So did they build and/or improve Helm's Deep, or did Gondorians when they lived in Calenardhon? (As Gondorians did build Orthanc). __________________ Aure Entuluva!

11-03-2004, 11:42 PM	#6
gilgalad_the_Valiant Guest Posts: n/a	Im pretty sure the Rohirrim built Helms Deep, I think it was Helm Hammerhand.