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Okay this has been bugging me for days...
What are the best movie adaptions for the LOTR characters in the Peter Jackson movies? I would say Sam.
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What kind of specifics do you mean? Do you mean which character was portrayed the best from book to film? If that is the question...I suppose I would say...hm...it's funny how come to think of it, I have some sort of issue portrayal wise with every main character, especially those of The Fellowship...so I guess I would say Bilbo. Out of The Fellowship, I would agree and say Sam.
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I'm going to agree with y'all that it's Sam. He's most true to the books, at least to my memory. He's not portrayed as over-whiny as is Frodo, completely messed up as is Gandalf, and 'literalized' as is the Big Eye.
I wouldn't agree with Bilbo as he ages too quickly and seemed too fearful when he plays his 'trick' at his birthday party.
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Funnily enough, I think Boromir was credibly portrayed. Treebeard was pretty good in the Movie too, as I recall. Any takers for Eowyn or even Grima (except he was completely cut out of any credible ending)?
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Boromir was best. I didn't like how Sam repeatedly punched Gollum during the whole lembas saga. I thought crazy-Sam was a bad addition.
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I'll side with Boromir on this one; mainly because Sean Bean is a fantastic actor, he is worthy of more leading roles i believe.
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As a person, i think Boromir is portrayed just about as he is in the book. Obviously not everything from the book was included in the production but the parts that were, i feel, captured Boromir well.
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I think the defining moment for Movie!Boromir was when he and Aragorn argue about the Ring, just before they come to the Argonaths on the Anduin: "I would not lead the Ring within a hundred leagues of your city!" Right then, Boromir's face becomes a SUPER POUT. Much as I love Sean Bean, I could never have imagined Book!Boromir looking like that childish. Quote:
I know this was supposed to be the best characters, not the worst. Sorry! All in all, I think Pippin was nailed pretty well, particularly as far as FotR goes. Obviously all four Hobbits were dumber in the movies, but Pippin, being the youngest and the most foolish, got away with it more, even up to being in Minas Tirith with Gandalf. Sam would probably be my second choice.
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No, no, no.
Boromir was definitely not the best portrayed from book to film. It gets to me when people think this- there are so many things that are blatantly different between book Boromir and PJ's Boromir. Some Beanamir pointed out. In hopes to shift all of your opinions who say Boromir was best portrayed from book to film, let's start with appearance. Book Boromir Let's look at one of Tolkien's best descriptions he gives one of his characters- “And seated a little apart was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance…He was cloaked and booted as if for a journey on horseback; and indeed though his garments were rich, and his cloak was lined with fur, they were stained with long travel. He had a collar of silver in which a single white stone was set; his locks were shorn about his shoulders. On a baldric he wore a great horn tipped with silver that now was laid upon his knees.” -6'4" in height (this fact is contained within an unpublished note by Tolkien, located at the Bodleian Library in Oxford, according to The Lord of the Rings: A Reader’s Companion by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull) -40 years old and of high Númenorean lineage (Faramir lived to be around 117) meaning that he would not look 40 years old as we know it. Please do not combat this with the whole "Gandalf says the Númenorean blood does not run truly in Boromir like it did in Faramir and Denethor", because this is by most standards impossible. There is little doubt that Tolkien meant by this the personality traits of Boromir lacking in Númenorean standard when put up against the high airs of his father and brother. -Although debatable, Boromir was not described as having a beard, therefore he most likely did not have one (again, the age). -Did not openly wear chainmail, as Gimli is said to be the only member of The Fellowship who does so. All that being said, let's take a look at Peter Jackson's Boromir. Movie Boromir -Straight borderline blonde chin length hair ( ![]() -I do not really see the proudness in Bean as Boromir is described. Instead I see nervousness and anxiety. -No collar of silver -Golden tipped Horn of Gondor, instead of silver. (Does PJ have something against silver?) -Appears 40+ in regular years and has a trimmed up little goatee -Openly wears chainmail Almost everything you could do opposite to the character, appearance wise, was done by good old PJ. Now let's take a look at personality. Firstly, PJ's Boromir is thrown off from the start when he shows the deleted Osgiliath scene in the EE of The Two Towers, where the overly mad Denethor enters and demands that Boromir travel to Rivendell to retrieve him a "kingly gift." PJ's Boromir puts his tail between his legs and recoils at the idea. In the books, we all know that Boromir was answering a prophetic dream that he and his brother were having, and that Denethor did not want Boromir to go- “Therefore my brother, seeing how desperate was our need, was eager to heed the dream and seek for Imladris; but since the way was full of doubt and danger, I took the journey upon myself. Loth was my father to give me leave, and long have I wandered by roads forgotten, seeking the house of Elrond, of which many had heard, but few knew where it lay.” (The Fellowship of the Ring) Even though PJ contradicts himself by adding in the extended edition of The Fellowship a clip of the Council of Elrond where Boromir says he traveled hither because of a dream (I believe this was included) from the start of PJ's films Boromir was wrongly portrayed. As already stated, Book Boromir was much like Aragorn. Proud, stern, and an air about him that echoed the memory of Númenor. I do not get that from PJ's adaption. Instead, we see a man with childish grudges who gets upset when he doesn't always get his way, and from the start paranoid at the intentions of Aragorn, Frodo, and Gandalf. He appears most of the time anxious and confused. Book Boromir hardly saw those traits. He was a man of grim but friendly nature. One would imagine him walking through the streets of Minas Tirith sternly, unapproachable yet lovable when his closest friends came around the bend. Rejoicing in his great victories, yet never tainting them with unnecessary antics. This is again opposite to PJ's extended edition Osgiliath scene where Boromir appears the let loose party guy because he won a battle. In the books, Boromir only started his lust for the Ring after Lothlórien, after the Lady of the Wood had tested him. In the films, Boromir wants the Ring from his entrance on. Boromir's journey in the books is simply to go home and help the Ring-bearer on his way, but he gets caught up in his fault of power and pride, and ultimately tries to take the Ring as we all know. Even after Lothlórien, in the books Boromir just wanted to start heading home- "To the tall isle I will go, but no further. There I shall turn to my home, alone if my help has not earned the reward of any companionship." (FotR), showing that his true state of mind was still present, whereas in the films it has been long gone. Let's not forget Boromir's aid from book to film. None of Boromir's shining moments in The Fellowship are present in the films. It was Boromir who decided to bring wood up while journeying through Caradhras, and it was Boromir who thought of plowing through the shoulder length snow so that The Fellowship could survive. Boromir's strength and wisdom of battle aided The Fellowship against the Wargs and in Moria (in Moria this is shown, besides in the EE Fellowship when Boromir is taken down by the Troll just to be saved by Aragorn.) His role is vital in helping Aragorn move the boats. We see hardly any of this in the films. Instead, we see a man who takes Merry and Pippin into his arms and yells like a little girl when jumping from one broken stairway to the next. He even appears cowardly a lot of the time. It seems that in the films Boromir cared wholly for taking the Ring with little else on his mind. On his death in book to movie As already stated in this thread, in the books Boromir was shot with numerous arrows before falling. In the movies he was shot with only three and fell. It appears more realistic, but this still dampers the strength and fierce bravery of Boromir. Boromir's last scene alive, as he says his last words to Aragorn, is even problematic. There are things I would have changed, such as Bean's line of "I would have followed you..." and I would have also included Boromir's dying wish that Aragorn save Minas Tirith (it was depicted similiar in the films, yet not the same.) However, the most important part of Boromir's death is not featured in the films. It is the very last thing he does in the books, which confirms all rightful mind and intention coming back and the madness of pride and the Ring leaving him- Boromir smiles. PJ does not include this extremely pivotal emotion in the films, which is utterly disappointing. Boromir's character was not developed even half fully in the films. Instead people who have no knowledge of his character deem him angry, irritated, and sometimes even evil. These are common misconceptions of Boromir that I am always ready to fight against. And to alatar...as you might already know, I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that movie Boromir is "better" than book Boromir. There is only one Boromir, and that is the one that Tolkien created. All of the characters in the films were merely adaptions of an untouchable story.
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Ouch. MathewM, I have to say that I find your post painful.
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Now I do agree that you are entirely right in most of your points, but I just wanted to say that. (And also, you called his hair dark blonde. I don't think it is that light but I might not be remembering it correctly.) I would say Sam is probably the best adapted character. Lobelia isn't bad...
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That being said, in my completely subjective opinion, I liked PJ's Boromir better as I could see the man in my head, whereas I never saw Book Boromir as nothing more than an antagonist/outsider and foil for Aragorn/Gandalf. In the movie I could see the character struggle with the Ring, and I was truly sad when he died. The book death wasn't emotive. Do I like everything about the movie character? ![]() What's truly funny is that I was continually told that I never saw anything good in the movies, and yet when I do... ![]() P.S And I loved Bean's hair, though it wasn't as nice and Prince Charming's in Shrek II.
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I can't agree with Sam...besides the point Eomer said, there was no need for Sean Astin to gain weight for the role. As there is no indicator that Sam was any fatter than the typical hobbit...in fact I think Merry and Pippin should have been plumper as Frodo was the 'abnormal' lean one.
Well if I may say so, Mathew has done an excellent job summing up the portrayal of Boromir in the movies...now I will attempt a defense as to why I disagree and say Boromir was portrayed very well. (With a few exceptions). Appearance, costume, hair...etc really isn't the actors fault, so when I think of portrayal I don't consider too much about all that. I think did the actor bring out his/her character in the book? When I see Sean Bean on screen can I think of Boromir of Lord of the Rings? And I would say I can! First off, I will say that Extended Osgiliath scene was completely wrong and it would have been better to do things differently. As mentioned, Denethor sending Boromir off as some sort of secret agent is not only contrary to the books, but as Mathew points out conflicts with what we see earlier in the film itself. So, that part of the extended scene definitely creates problems and is a bad portrayal. However, let's look at a few more things with that extended scene in Osgiliath. Quote:
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Now, what Jackson does do is show the Ring 'effecting' him a little sooner than the books. Boromir (in the books) was able to suppress his desires for the Ring until after Lothlorien (thats when he starts acting nervous, giving 'hard' stares at Frodo...etc), Jackson just decides to show the Ring growing on Boromir's mind a bit sooner. But this doesn't mean it's an inaccurate portrayal, the bottomline is the desire for using the Ring as a weapon was in Boromir right when he first sees it, in the movies and in the books. Quote:
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When we watch the scene in the movie do we get the feeling of Boromir's first off amazing warrior qualities, and secondly this man who's trying to make up for an evil he just committed and for something he knows he did wrong? For me, it's a resounding yes...it is different from the books, but it still does the job, and does it quite well. It's only 'three' arrows...bah big deal, he was still fighting and defending the hobbits after being shot twice in the chest, that's pretty darn heroic if you ask me. Then the look on Beans face (accompanied with the music) when Merry and Pippin are captured was just stunning...it was the only moment in all the films which watered my eyes. The feeling of sadness in the death of such a great warrior, yet gladness in his redemption and acknowledgement that what he tried to do was 'wrong,' still remains in the film eventhough if it is different from the books. That to me still makes it an accurate and darn good portrayal. ![]() Quote:
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I did not call his hair dark blonde. I called it the lightest shade of brown. You have some sound points, "Boromir88", for your argument, but I feel as if you are only glimpsing at the silver lining, and not looking at his portrayal as a whole in the films. I would also like to say that I do not dislike the films at all- I love them, as a matter of fact- but Boromir was not best portrayed, not by a long shot. I never said Bean didn't do a great job with the character, I agree that he understood Boromir well...I'm not blaming the faults on Bean, he did a great job, but he was too old looking for the character. Not the best for Tolkien's Boromir, and surely not the best adapted from book to film, personality wise, appearance wise, and accomplishments wise. We'll put all the fault on PJ. How's that? Where to start... Quote:
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Wholeheartedly disagree. Before he fell Boromir received numerous arrow wounds all over the place. Three arrows is reducing that plenty. You can say three arrows is more realistic, but that is not Tolkien's Boromir- he did not fall until numerous arrows pierced him. Side note- they got away with countless arrows in the warriors of the movie "300". Quote:
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Hey Guys, this is the Best adaptions, not the worst.
Although I do like that you both have good reasons to back up what you're saying. Thanks ~TheGreatElvenWarrior
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Shelob. And I'm not joking. She was perfect. A huge spider, ugly, bulbous, and scary. Her lair was filed with old webs and half eaten carcasses, skelatons, and other nasty stuff. She was cunning and evil - consider, she squeezed out silently above Frodo, snuck around above him and essentially stabbed him in the back...only she waited for him to turn around so she could get his chest. Then when Sam came, she attacked him viciously. She knocked the phial out of his hand and out of his reach once. And then when she finally got stabbed, it was because she was trying to smash Sam and (just like in the book) it was her weight and strength that forced the blade up into her stomach. And then she twitched and jerked horribly in pain and she retreated, shuddering and shivering, into a hole.
The head Uruk Hai after Ugluk is killed by Aragorn was pretty well adapted. Regardless of Matthew's adamant disagreement, I really like Boromir in the movie. I like him a lot in the books, too. They were one character I don't think they ruined. Eowyn was also very well adapted, save for the stew scene. *sigh* Oh well. -- Folwren
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Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, however I am providing you with fact from Tolkien's own writing of the character in the books - the true authority - and the fact is that Boromir was wrongly portrayed from book to film in many aspects.
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It's really interesting, Matt, watching you guys duke it out over the adaptation of Boromir's character. Reading your side of the argument, I'm finding myself inclined to agree with you, but reading between the lines I'd say you have a much higher estimation of Book-Boromir's character than I did.
It's interesting therefore, for me to note that while you see Movie-Boromir and you see a less-noble character than Book-Boromir, whereas I, who had a much lower estimation of Book-Boromir, found myself raising my estimation of him as a result of Movie-Boromir. The lovely thing about reading books is the amount of imagination involved. I shaded my Boromir darker than your lordly Boromir, and so one ends up with completely different evaluations of the movie version. So, while your argument--with the assistance of Movie-Boromir's groundwork--certainly leaves me with a higher, and justifiably so, estimation of the character of Boromir, I have to state that I always found him to be one of my favourite (in a true-to-the-book sense) adaptations to the film.
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I just don't consider it to be big deal when compared to traits and personality...as for me, thats what I think about the most when it comes to portrayal. Did Bean and Jackson get Boromir's mannerisms and personality correct? As its those things which 'bring the character to life on screen', for me, where somebody else may be different and place their emphasis on...say Boromir's appearance. Quote:
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Formendacil, if I have given a higher air to the way you see Boromir, I am satisfied. And you're right- everyone sees Tolkien's world in their own way. Like Boromir88 said, that is part of what makes these books so amazing.
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Speaking of childish, and personality and mannerisms, I seem to have forgotten one of the worst scenes PJ ever filmed concerning Boromir and his personality, and this scene is right up there in filth with the EE Osgiliath scene...I can't believe I forgot to mention it sooner. Now here is an example of why movie Boromir is childish, far more childish than anyone could say about book Boromir- Aragorn is sitting peacefully in a part of Rivendell, where there is a huge moral depicting the defeat of Sauron during the Second Age, when Isildur cut the Ring off Sauron's hand. Not far away stands a statue that holds the Shards of Narsil. Boromir enters, says nothing to Aragorn, actually picks up the broken hilt, traces his finger across it while talking to himself- "The blade that cut the Ring..." (while almost reinacting what happened), then cutting his finger on it by accident ("still sharp...") he finally notices that Aragorn has been staring him down. Boromir looks with fear at Aragorn, and concludes with "but no more than a broken hilt". With that, Boromir hastily puts the hilt back on its resting place, and it falls down and clangs an obnoxious noise. Boromir turns his head, looks at it- not giving a hoot less, and walks away. Talk about childish...I rest my case in saying that this movie Boromir, in this scene especially, can not even compare to book Boromir. There is no lordliness, as we know, in Bean, and there is absolutely no kindliness in this scene. Instead there is complete disrespect to Boromir's own country (which we know would never have happened in the books) and complete disrespect to Boromir's character alone. In fact, this scene is so demoralizing to Boromir's character as is the Osgiliath scene that I do not even consider either of them to be portrayal's of Boromir- I can't even give them the credit of being PJ's Boromir in his more finer scenes. Quote:
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So, although we disagree on certain aspects, I think we agree on a lot as well. It has been good having this discussion!
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Let's see- the book characters Jackson did best with?
Bombadil Goldberry The Barrow-wight Glorfindel Ted Sandyman Bill Ferny Quickbeam Radagast Beregond
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![]() Just one quick comment...I forgot about that scene in Rivendell where Boromir throws down Elendil - I thought he said 'no more than a broken heirloom' but sometimes I have trouble understanding Bean's accent...and I agree that was so childish it was way out of Boromir's character. Thanks for bringing that up as I completely forgot about that part. As we see from the story, Boromir revered the sword of Elendil, and if he ever were to pick it up (which another thing is I have no idea who Elrond has it out for display for everyone to come and take a peek at ![]()
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I thought Gandalf was portrayed well as was Sam, by their respected actors. Although there may have been differences in the way Fran wrote Boromir's character as opposed to the Professor, I think/thought that Sean Bean would have pulled off either with equal perfection.
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Welcome to the 'downs, Master Morgoth! If you want to introduce yourself, it can be done here.
![]() I partly agree with you - and others - about Gandalf. I think McKellen was great, but... I think he lacked something. He was, in a way, too soft and I don't think the movie-Gandalf showed the more dangerous and powerful Gandalf very well. Gandalf the White in action was pretty lame and even Gandalf the Grey lacked the certain spark of fire, something in Gandalf that made the ring Narya match his spirit. There was a little bit too much of a kind old man in the movie Gandalf. (Oh, you should all see a Finnish TV-series, that was made of LotR in the early nineties, called Hobitit (Hobbits). The Gandalf in the series is great, even though he looks quite un-gandalfish. Oh, jolly, I found a pic of the actors. See. ![]() From left to right: Boromir, Gandalf, Gimli, Merry, Sam, Frodo and Aragorn. Oh gosh, they look so funny. ![]() edit: the pic is actually from the play they made and on which the TV series was based on, but it looks the same...
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I share your views stated above. I am no lover of Peter Jackson's interpretations and detest his lack of faith in Tolkien's own work, but as movies alone I quite enjoyed them all, some more than others. My point is the actors played to the written movie scripts about as good as anyone else could have. Now if PJ and company would have written the characters in the script as the Professor had in the book, then I would have no compassion for the actors digression of character. And thank you for your welcome. |
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Fatty Bolger Lotho Pimple Ghan-Buri-Ghan Imrahil Ioreth Seriously, though, I think the characters who survived the transition to film with the least damage were 1) Eowyn 2) Gandalf the Grey (not White) 3) Sam Two honorable mentions: Boromir, who isn't exactly Book-Boromir but he's not bad; and Wormtongue, whom Dourif nails, but the visual concept for the character might as well have tattooed EVIL MINION on his forehead.
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To add to what Formendacil and Boromir88 say above - It always amazes me how different people can have different viewpoints of characters that are almost 100% opposite to each other - I see it again and again in looking at different threads on this site. It's probably what makes this place so interesting. I'd just like to take you up on one area of your post to explain my point above - you said re Boromir: Quote:
I'll try to fish out the Thread the discussion was on - and post a link here. - you might enjoy it. Here's one of them: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ish#post381783 and http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...ish#post319074 Last edited by Essex; 10-11-2007 at 03:13 AM. Reason: adding links |
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MatthewM... your opinion is your opinion and your right to have it. But I do think you are grossly misrepresenting what Essex said. Here is how you paraphrased his point
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He never used the phrase that you attribute to him saying that Jackson showed Boromir to be childish. I am not taking issue with your overall opinion on Boromir right now - just trying to set the record straight. Last edited by Sauron the White; 10-31-2007 at 05:45 AM. |
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You see, people have their own opinions. Opinions are opinions, you don't have to agree with everyone. You don't have to disagree with them either.
As my dad said "Opinions are like buttholes, everyones got them, and sometimes there stinky"
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