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Old 04-24-2019, 02:39 PM   #561
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Well, since I am 90% sure I got this one right, I might as well continued. This one relies on the connection I couldn't help but noticed



We are guilty of the same deed
You, the first perpetrator
While I am the second
Yet, I achieved what I wanted
Although it came at a price
You paid one too
And you paid it thrice


(Oh, and it's NOT Maeglin and Gollum. Nor is it Maeglin and Grima. Use this information how you will. )
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:04 AM   #562
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Bump

I bump this in the name of Lomion.
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:46 AM   #563
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"You paid it thrice" makes me think of the Silmarils, but I'm not sure who that would make the speaker. Sauron to Morgoth doesn't work, unless the 'price' was losing the Ring/the Silmarils after achieving dominion.

Then there's Maeglin's striking the walls three times, which would make him 'the first' - but then what is the deed? Only the speaker is asserted to have achieved what they wanted, implying Maeglin might not have.

It can't be one of the Sons of Feanor talking about infanticide, because the sons of Dior were killed before Gondolin fell. It can't be anyone talking about betraying a hidden city, because the only other person who did that was Turin, and that already happened by the time Maeglin was captured.

Oh! Is it Ar-Pharazon talking to Maeglin, referencing (attempted) cousin-marriage?

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Old 04-25-2019, 09:56 AM   #564
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:06 AM   #565
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Awesome. What're the rules for this thread - just 'post trivia about a bad guy'? I can do that:

Who was the leader of a thousand mortal Men?

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Old 04-25-2019, 10:07 AM   #566
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King of the Dead?
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Old 04-25-2019, 01:45 PM   #567
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King of the Dead?
Nope.

I'm not sure how this thread's meant to work if there's an incorrect guess, so how about a second hint:

This person's friend was wiser than he.

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Old 04-25-2019, 01:50 PM   #568
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Well, the only two friends I know well where one is wiser than the other were Beleg and Turin, but Turin didn't lead a thousand men, nor was he a bad guy.
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Old 04-25-2019, 02:22 PM   #569
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I'm pretty sure this character isn't well-known by anyone, but he's not some obscure HoME person or anything; he's right there in one of the main books (by which I mean Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales).

(I am so so pleased that the three Great Tales finally have their own books. Eee!)

(That's not relevant, sorry.)

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Old 04-25-2019, 02:27 PM   #570
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I'm pretty sure this character isn't well-known by anyone, but he's not some obscure HoME person or anything; he's right there in one of the main books (by which I mean Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales).

(I am so so pleased that the three Great Tales finally have their own books. Eee!)

(That's not relevant, sorry.)

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Speaking of irrelevant things, I've added another post to FoG discussion.
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Old 04-25-2019, 02:28 PM   #571
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And I am still not sure who.


Ar-Pharazon?
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Or maybe Ulfang or one of his sons.
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Old 04-26-2019, 01:39 AM   #573
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I'm pretty sure both of them led more than a thousand mortals; the number is straight from the text.

A third trivium... he went back.

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From where in the text, exactly?


Also, could you at least give me a response about my latest post in the FoG thread, please? I am a bit bored and would like to continue it.
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Right before his pal goes to hang out with a fellow with one hand.

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The only ones who are confirmed to have been one-handed are Maedhros and Beren, but neither Finrod nor Fingon were associated with any 'bad guy', except maybe Ulfang and his brood.
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And the only one I know of who was pals with an actual 'bad guy' was Turin, via his friendship towards Mim.
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Wait, if by 'his pal' you mean what I think you mean, then I might just know the answer.


Is this in anyway related to someone who could only speak three times before dying?
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Yes, the one-handed person is one of those two. You might want to move away from popular characters for a bit, because his friend is even less well-known than him (though I believe he has more actual lines).

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There we go, but I have just one question:
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Is this in anyway related to someone who could only speak three times before dying?
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There we go, but I have just one question:
I'm afraid not.

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Old 04-26-2019, 02:52 AM   #582
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I'm afraid not.

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Damn, there goes my grand idea.....
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And now I am drawing a blank again. Too bad.



P.S: Huan is cute.
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Whether you are using 'hung out' figuratively or literally, there were no minor characters who hung out with Beren or Maedhros mentioned anywhere
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Whether you are using 'hung out' figuratively or literally, there were no minor characters who hung out with Beren or Maedhros mentioned anywhere
I'm using it figuratively, and, uh... you're wrong.

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Well, there was Huan, but you said no to that line of thinking.
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I'm gonna fetch Silm.
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.....This is based on Beren and Luthien (ie. the separate book), isn't it?


Considering that's the only Great Tale in a separate book that I don't have with me, it's going to be hard to figure out.
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.....This is based on Beren and Luthien (ie. the separate book), isn't it?

Considering that's the only Great Tale in a separate book that I don't have with me, it's going to be hard to figure out.
No, it isn't. It's actually in the Silmarillion.

"Hang out" may be a bit more casual than their actual relationship.

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Gorlim, Ragnor, Radhruin, Dagnir, Dairuin, Gildor, Urthel, Arthad, Hathaldir......
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Gorlim, Ragnor, Radhruin, Dagnir, Dairuin, Gildor, Urthel, Arthad, Hathaldir......
I think Gorlim is the only possible bad guy in that list, and it's not him. Look a bit earlier.

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How much earlier?
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If it weren't for the fact that Beren wasn't even born at a time, I'd say Bereg.


Oh, it IS Bereg, isn't it? The one-handed isn't Beren, but Maedhros, and the friend is Amlach.
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Dingdingding! And there he is: Bereg the traitor of House Beor.

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Who was the leader of a thousand mortal Men?
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He went back.
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and Bereg led a thousand of the people of Bor away southwards, and they passed out of the songs of those days.
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This person's friend was wiser than he.
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His pal goes to hang out with a fellow with one hand.
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But Amlach repented, saying: 'I have now a quarrel of my own with this Master of Lies, which will last to my life's end'; and he went away north and entered the service of Maedhros.
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I didn't think of Bereg as the 'bad guy' per se. At least no more than him.


Normally I would ask a question about him, but I'll take a break from this, for now.
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Now, Eol did cast a curse upon Maeglin "Here you may yet die the same death as I".


But there was another character who cast the curse that had pretty much same wording as Eol's (and which was eventually fulfilled) upon another.

Who was this character?

(Hint: Read Eol's curse again, and replace 'I' with 'my offspring')
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Mim, to Androg?
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Mim, to Androg?

That is correct.
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Not up to digging through the texts, so:


The first of two runaway assistants.
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Sauron, Aule's former 'assistant', who was eventually followed in his defection by Saruman?

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