LOTR grades - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Evisse the Blue · 10-23-2002, 06:51 AM

Check this out!
My mum, who's an English teacher and major LOTR fan, thought this up: from now on, she'll give the kids LOTR names instead of grades. Each name corresponds, of course, with a certain grade, as follows:
1- Sauron
2- Wormtongue
3- Gollum
4- Saruman
5- Boromir
6- Pippin
7- Bilbo
8- Merry/Eowyn
9- Gimli/ Legolas
10- Aragorn, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, Arwen
10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel.
Now - where you see more than one name for the same grade, it depends on the kid's personality. For instance: 10 - if he's earned the ten through hard work - then he's a Frodo; if he/she finds it only natural to get a ten, then she gets Arwen, he gets Aragorn.
What do you think - comments and changes are welcome! Also, if you ask me why a character got a certain grade, I'll explain my opinion, and we'll discuss it.

Arwen1858 · 10-23-2002, 12:15 PM

That's cool! I would think it would inspire students that are LOTR fans the get higher grades! I do have a question, though. Why is Gollum lower than Saruman? Yes, Gollum wasn't too nice, but he wasn't quite so bad as Saruman, IMO, anyways.
Arwen

Arwen Imladris · 10-23-2002, 02:12 PM

1- Sauron
2- Wormtongue
3- Gollum
4- Saruman
5- Boromir
6- Pippin
7- Bilbo
8- Merry/Eowyn
9- Gimli/ Legolas
10- Aragorn, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, Arwen
10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel.

I would put Pippin and Merry together rather than Merry and Eowyn.
I would also put Aragorn, Sam and Frodo at a different level than Faramir and Arwen. It also depends on wether it is form the Movie or the Book, cause Arwen from the book is a house wife, I don't think that that would go over well for level 10.

In Ontario, we have this level system that has 4 levels. Level 1 is just barely better than failing and level 4 is beyond the expetations. What could a teacher use for that?

1-Sauron?
2-Golumm
3-legolas
4-Frodo

or
1- Sauron
1 Saruman
1+ Wormtong
2- Golumm
2 Denethor
2+ Boromir
3- Faramir
3 Gimli
3+ Legolas
4- Merry/Pippin
4 Aragorn
4+ Frodo
4++ Gandalf

What do you think?

Laivine · 10-25-2002, 08:03 AM

It may just be me, but I think this list would be more.. I don't know.. correct perhaps.

1- Sauron
2- Saruman
3- Wormtongue
4- Gollum
5- Boromir
6- Arwen/Faramir
7- Bilbo
8- Merry/Eowyn/Pippin
9- Gimli/Legolas
10- Aragorn/Sam/Frodo
10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel/Elrond.

Evisse the Blue · 10-25-2002, 05:20 PM

Well- about Gollum and Saruman: Saruman was once very wise and very good, plus he was a Maia, so I just payed tribute to that by giving him a higher grade.

Also, I put Merry above Pippin and together with Eowyn because together they killed the Witch king - while Pippin was mostly a 'nuisance'as Gandalf called him. -But it's okay, I still like him [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Laivine, why is poor Arwen on 6? And Faramir- he was spotless.

Arwen Imladris, what could have possibly biased you to grade Legolas a tad higher than Gimli? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Neferchoirwen · 10-25-2002, 10:01 PM

It's a cool idea! I'm looking forward to using this when I get to teach. But does your mum use it for conduct grades?

Laivine · 10-26-2002, 05:54 AM

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Why is poor Arwen on 6? And Faramir- he was spotless.

Arwen never had an outstanding part in Lord of the Rings, as for Faramir; he did great things, but in my opinion the people I listed above him did greater.

Angry Hill Troll · 10-28-2002, 10:08 PM

Maybe there should be a "Tom Bombadil" category, for a student who is getting by okay, but is for the most part unmotivated to make use of his considerable talents...gathering moss, so to speak. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Evisse the Blue · 10-29-2002, 07:45 AM

Neferchoirwen - my mum uses these grades not for conduct grades, since she's only the English teacher, but to grade papers, homeworks, and generally their level of English.

Angry Hill Troll - Great idea! I knew there was something missing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Bêthberry · 10-29-2002, 08:05 AM

Just a quick observation for Arwen Imladris about the grading standards in Ontario. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

The 'pass' is 3, which signifies meeting the current expectations for the grade level. A 1 or a 2 signifies work at very much below the expected level of achievement. Students who work repeatedly at the 1 or 2 level are students seriously at risk and who should be receiving extra help. They are also probably students who should not be promoted (to use the current euphemism) to the next grade, where they will face even more frustration and difficulty, although many schools are balking at doing that.

This means that the 'pass' is no longer that 50% level, but the 70% level.

Bethberry

Arwen Imladris · 10-29-2002, 03:21 PM

Bethberry: The grading system in Ontario is very messed up right now and is basically up to the teachers descresion. The way the levels corespond to percents is 1 = 50-59%, 2 = 60-69%, 3= 70-79%, 4 = 80-100%. level 1 is a pass, but just barely. Level 3 is the provincial standard if you meet that then you are average. Going beyond that means that you are doing more then you were expected to do. I know a number of people who have gotten level 1 and have been moved on to the next grade level.

10-23-2002, 06:51 AM	#1
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	LOTR grades Check this out! My mum, who's an English teacher and major LOTR fan, thought this up: from now on, she'll give the kids LOTR names instead of grades. Each name corresponds, of course, with a certain grade, as follows: 1- Sauron 2- Wormtongue 3- Gollum 4- Saruman 5- Boromir 6- Pippin 7- Bilbo 8- Merry/Eowyn 9- Gimli/ Legolas 10- Aragorn, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, Arwen 10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel. Now - where you see more than one name for the same grade, it depends on the kid's personality. For instance: 10 - if he's earned the ten through hard work - then he's a Frodo; if he/she finds it only natural to get a ten, then she gets Arwen, he gets Aragorn. What do you think - comments and changes are welcome! Also, if you ask me why a character got a certain grade, I'll explain my opinion, and we'll discuss it. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-23-2002, 12:15 PM	#2
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	That's cool! I would think it would inspire students that are LOTR fans the get higher grades! I do have a question, though. Why is Gollum lower than Saruman? Yes, Gollum wasn't too nice, but he wasn't quite so bad as Saruman, IMO, anyways. Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-23-2002, 02:12 PM	#3
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	1- Sauron 2- Wormtongue 3- Gollum 4- Saruman 5- Boromir 6- Pippin 7- Bilbo 8- Merry/Eowyn 9- Gimli/ Legolas 10- Aragorn, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, Arwen 10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel. I would put Pippin and Merry together rather than Merry and Eowyn. I would also put Aragorn, Sam and Frodo at a different level than Faramir and Arwen. It also depends on wether it is form the Movie or the Book, cause Arwen from the book is a house wife, I don't think that that would go over well for level 10. In Ontario, we have this level system that has 4 levels. Level 1 is just barely better than failing and level 4 is beyond the expetations. What could a teacher use for that? 1-Sauron? 2-Golumm 3-legolas 4-Frodo or 1- Sauron 1 Saruman 1+ Wormtong 2- Golumm 2 Denethor 2+ Boromir 3- Faramir 3 Gimli 3+ Legolas 4- Merry/Pippin 4 Aragorn 4+ Frodo 4++ Gandalf What do you think? __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

10-25-2002, 08:03 AM	#4
Laivine Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 131	It may just be me, but I think this list would be more.. I don't know.. correct perhaps. 1- Sauron 2- Saruman 3- Wormtongue 4- Gollum 5- Boromir 6- Arwen/Faramir 7- Bilbo 8- Merry/Eowyn/Pippin 9- Gimli/Legolas 10- Aragorn/Sam/Frodo 10 + (outstanding achievements): Gandalf/ Galadriel/Elrond. __________________ Vi er det vi tenker. Alt vi er vokser frem fra tankene våre. Det er tankene våre som bygger verden.

10-25-2002, 05:20 PM	#5
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Well- about Gollum and Saruman: Saruman was once very wise and very good, plus he was a Maia, so I just payed tribute to that by giving him a higher grade. Also, I put Merry above Pippin and together with Eowyn because together they killed the Witch king - while Pippin was mostly a 'nuisance'as Gandalf called him. -But it's okay, I still like him [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Laivine, why is poor Arwen on 6? And Faramir- he was spotless. Arwen Imladris, what could have possibly biased you to grade Legolas a tad higher than Gimli? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-25-2002, 10:01 PM	#6
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	It's a cool idea! I'm looking forward to using this when I get to teach. But does your mum use it for conduct grades? __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

10-28-2002, 10:08 PM	#8
Angry Hill Troll Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ephel Duath Posts: 115	Maybe there should be a "Tom Bombadil" category, for a student who is getting by okay, but is for the most part unmotivated to make use of his considerable talents...gathering moss, so to speak. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

10-29-2002, 07:45 AM	#9
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Neferchoirwen - my mum uses these grades not for conduct grades, since she's only the English teacher, but to grade papers, homeworks, and generally their level of English. Angry Hill Troll - Great idea! I knew there was something missing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-29-2002, 08:05 AM	#10
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,979	Just a quick observation for Arwen Imladris about the grading standards in Ontario. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] The 'pass' is 3, which signifies meeting the current expectations for the grade level. A 1 or a 2 signifies work at very much below the expected level of achievement. Students who work repeatedly at the 1 or 2 level are students seriously at risk and who should be receiving extra help. They are also probably students who should not be promoted (to use the current euphemism) to the next grade, where they will face even more frustration and difficulty, although many schools are balking at doing that. This means that the 'pass' is no longer that 50% level, but the 70% level. Bethberry __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

10-29-2002, 03:21 PM	#11
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Bethberry: The grading system in Ontario is very messed up right now and is basically up to the teachers descresion. The way the levels corespond to percents is 1 = 50-59%, 2 = 60-69%, 3= 70-79%, 4 = 80-100%. level 1 is a pass, but just barely. Level 3 is the provincial standard if you meet that then you are average. Going beyond that means that you are doing more then you were expected to do. I know a number of people who have gotten level 1 and have been moved on to the next grade level. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."