Gothmogs and dragons and noobs, oh my - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

ninja91 · 11-20-2006, 04:24 PM

I will throw this thread here, because they are noob questions.
1. Gothmog is the lieutenant of the Morgul-Host. He is pretty powerful. But what in the heck is he? I cant find anything that describes him in the books. I doubt he is an orc. And even in the movies, he is different from the rest of the orcs, because they knew that Gothmog was somehow different than the other soldiers of Minas Morgul.

2. One more, where in the heck did the dragons come from? Where they created by good or evil, and either way, what was their purpose?

Thanks for the time,

Your favorite Ninja/Drow

mormegil · 11-20-2006, 05:49 PM

There are really no clear answers on who Gothmog is. Is he Nazgul, Man, or Orc? We don't know and generally we have our own beliefs but there is no factual evidence unequivocally demonstrating to which race he belongs. I personally feel he is Nazgul as the W-K is the captain it would make sense that Gothmog is the Lieutenant. However we do know that Sauron employeed at least one man in a position of power and prominence, the Mouth of Sauron is a Black Numenorean.

I believe I will start a poll in this matter though.

ninja91 · 11-20-2006, 09:07 PM

Well, if he was a Nazgul, then there would have had to be an ancient king named Gothmog, and I am not saying you are wrong, but I dont think that there was one.

littlemanpoet · 11-20-2006, 09:55 PM

Morgoth devised the dragons. They were made evil. Their purpose was to overcome the power of the First Age Elves and Dwarves.

ninja91 · 11-21-2006, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Morgoth devised the dragons. They were made evil. Their purpose was to overcome the power of the First Age Elves and Dwarves.

Did they accomplish their task, though, or were they a failure at life?

Elmo · 03-02-2007, 02:52 AM

Well considering that the Elven armies were practically annihilated in Beleriand I guess they did a pretty good job, but most of them were wiped out in the War of Wrath

Macalaure · 03-02-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Morgoth devised the dragons. They were made evil.

This always made me wonder. I mean, it is said that evil cannot create, just corrupt or imitate. How could Melkor make dragons then, and from what? Balrogs are corrupted Maiar, werewolves are animals in which some sort of spirit was put (what these spirits are and where they came from is a question as well), orcs are, in each of the ways which Tolkien pondered, corrupted beings. Only the dragons stand out.

How could Morgoth devise dragons?

Elmo · 03-02-2007, 04:36 AM

He corrupted lizards in a big way?

alatar · 10-11-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ninja91

One more, where in the heck did the dragons come from? Where they created by good or evil, and either way, what was their purpose?

Animal Planet, a TV station, produced a show pretending that Dragons are/were real. They reviewed much literature to define what a dragon or dragons was/were, and figured out how such a creature could exist. They also 'solved' the flight and fire-breathing issues as well in clever ways.

Watching the 'documentary,' one might not be sure if the information is real or not. You can out more about the show here.

I just knew that Smaug was real.

Folwren · 10-11-2007, 08:51 AM

Hm. You might find this interesting.

http://salemjustice.org/IMS%20News.htm

alatar · 10-11-2007, 08:57 AM

If somebody saw it, then it must be true.

It was noted recently that the velociraptor (of Jurassic Park fame) and other dinosaurs weren't scaly, like lizards, but feathered, and if they were, then what of Smaug?

Rumil · 10-11-2007, 03:13 PM

Dragons with feathers, yes for practicality, a big no no no for myfficness!

After all you know dragons,

They have no word for fluffy

11-20-2006, 05:49 PM	#2
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,636	There are really no clear answers on who Gothmog is. Is he Nazgul, Man, or Orc? We don't know and generally we have our own beliefs but there is no factual evidence unequivocally demonstrating to which race he belongs. I personally feel he is Nazgul as the W-K is the captain it would make sense that Gothmog is the Lieutenant. However we do know that Sauron employeed at least one man in a position of power and prominence, the Mouth of Sauron is a Black Numenorean. I believe I will start a poll in this matter though. __________________ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P. J. O'Rourke

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Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Well considering that the Elven armies were practically annihilated in Beleriand I guess they did a pretty good job, but most of them were wiped out in the War of Wrath __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

03-02-2007, 04:36 AM	#8
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	He corrupted lizards in a big way? __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

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Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Hm. You might find this interesting. http://salemjustice.org/IMS%20News.htm __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

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alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	If somebody saw it, then it must be true. It was noted recently that the velociraptor (of Jurassic Park fame) and other dinosaurs weren't scaly, like lizards, but feathered, and if they were, then what of Smaug? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

11-20-2006, 09:55 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Morgoth devised the dragons. They were made evil. Their purpose was to overcome the power of the First Age Elves and Dwarves.

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Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 893	Dragons with feathers, yes for practicality, a big no no no for myfficness! After all you know dragons, They have no word for fluffy __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion