Gandalfs clothing: Made by Galadriel? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 09-13-2003, 10:22 PM

We know that Gandalf went to Lothlorien after he came back from wherever the place he went to after he fought the Balrog...

And then, we see him clad in white clothing, with a new staff...

My question is... Did Galadriel made him such clothing? The shining white of Gandalfs clothes remind me of the shining white of Galadriels clothing...

And could she have taken a part in creating a new staff for Gandalf? We know that the staff irradiates some kind of light... Making me think that even Galadriel used the power of Nenya to create a better staff for Gandalf...

What do you think? All of this knowing the great respect and fondness that Galadriel had over Olorin...

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 09-14-2003, 03:12 AM

What an interesting thought. It makes even sence. Gandalf had no clothes when he came to Lorien and since Galadriel had clothed the fellowship why wouldn't she have clothed Gandalf. But don't know about the staff...

Iarhen · 09-14-2003, 08:41 AM

Why not about the staff? I presume that if Galadriel gave him clothing, then she gave him his staff too...

And when doing it, she could have possibly used the White Ring... As she did when she made Frodo's phial, she used the power of her ring to make a greater object. Gandalfs staff and Frodos phial have a similar effect: shining light...

Voralphion · 09-14-2003, 09:34 PM

Yes it is true that Galadriel gave Gandalf new clothes, but he certainly didn't her help in creating a new staff, he was more powerful than her. Also, I don't believe that there was inate power in the staff but it was just used by Gandalf to channel his own power through. The fact that his staff emitted light in Moria (he didn't emit power through his staff after that) was because he used his own power to create the light, it had nothing to do woth the particular staff, he probably could have been able to do it with a twig if he wanted.

Tinuviel Took · 09-17-2003, 05:56 PM

That's a very interesting thought, Volaphion. I've always assumed that the Valar gave the staffs to the Wizards, that this was the power allowed them to change the corse of history and fight Sauron. With your theory they wouldn't have given them anything but their blessing and orders and the power is all the maiar's who are call wizards.

Lord of Angmar · 09-25-2003, 08:20 PM

I believe, Voralphion, that the staff was in fact a source of power for the Istari and was (logically) bequeathed upon them by the Valar or made by the Istari themselves before departing from Valinor. Of course, it may be that there is no textual support either way, but I tend to believe the above opinion as the staff of Gandalf always struck me as something of more significance than a walking stick or a device of Elven craft in Gandalf's deeds.

Arwen1858 · 09-25-2003, 08:54 PM

I think the staff must have something to do with Gandalf's power. Look at the way he argued to keep it when he got to Edoras, instead of turning it over before going in to see Theoden. He urged Aragorn to give over Anduril, yet he wouldn't give over his staff. I think it was more than that he was just too fond of it.

Noldorin King · 09-25-2003, 09:02 PM

Galadriel weaving a wonderful raiment for Gandalf makes sense, after all, it was she who made the clothing she gave to the ringbearer and his companions when they passed Lothlorien after the fall of Gandalf in the Bridge of Kazhad-dum. It just tells us that she was capable of doing meager work even if she was the highest ranking noble among the eldar of beleriand. Anyway, there's doubt on the subject that she helped create Gandalf's staff since it did possess great powers beyond the might of the Elves. Gandalf himself must have forged it since he was a Maia, a divine being who shared the power of the Great Gods of the west, and one who would be capable of bringing forth such magic to a thing made by the hands. I think if Galadriel did give some of her skills to the staff she wouldn't be powerful enough to shield her kingdom against the raid of Sauron's beasts since most of her ability is given forth...

09-13-2003, 10:22 PM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Gandalfs clothing: Made by Galadriel? We know that Gandalf went to Lothlorien after he came back from wherever the place he went to after he fought the Balrog... And then, we see him clad in white clothing, with a new staff... My question is... Did Galadriel made him such clothing? The shining white of Gandalfs clothes remind me of the shining white of Galadriels clothing... And could she have taken a part in creating a new staff for Gandalf? We know that the staff irradiates some kind of light... Making me think that even Galadriel used the power of Nenya to create a better staff for Gandalf... What do you think? All of this knowing the great respect and fondness that Galadriel had over Olorin... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

09-14-2003, 03:12 AM	#2
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,267	What an interesting thought. It makes even sence. Gandalf had no clothes when he came to Lorien and since Galadriel had clothed the fellowship why wouldn't she have clothed Gandalf. But don't know about the staff... __________________ Fenris Wolf

09-14-2003, 08:41 AM	#3
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Why not about the staff? I presume that if Galadriel gave him clothing, then she gave him his staff too... And when doing it, she could have possibly used the White Ring... As she did when she made Frodo's phial, she used the power of her ring to make a greater object. Gandalfs staff and Frodos phial have a similar effect: shining light... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

09-14-2003, 09:34 PM	#4
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	Yes it is true that Galadriel gave Gandalf new clothes, but he certainly didn't her help in creating a new staff, he was more powerful than her. Also, I don't believe that there was inate power in the staff but it was just used by Gandalf to channel his own power through. The fact that his staff emitted light in Moria (he didn't emit power through his staff after that) was because he used his own power to create the light, it had nothing to do woth the particular staff, he probably could have been able to do it with a twig if he wanted. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

09-17-2003, 05:56 PM	#5
Tinuviel Took Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 115	That's a very interesting thought, Volaphion. I've always assumed that the Valar gave the staffs to the Wizards, that this was the power allowed them to change the corse of history and fight Sauron. With your theory they wouldn't have given them anything but their blessing and orders and the power is all the maiar's who are call wizards. __________________ "What my dear Lady Disdain! are you yet living?" "Is it possible Disdain should die while she hath such meet food to feed it, as Signore Benedick? Courtecy itself must convert to Disdain if you come in her presence"

09-25-2003, 08:20 PM	#6
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I believe, Voralphion, that the staff was in fact a source of power for the Istari and was (logically) bequeathed upon them by the Valar or made by the Istari themselves before departing from Valinor. Of course, it may be that there is no textual support either way, but I tend to believe the above opinion as the staff of Gandalf always struck me as something of more significance than a walking stick or a device of Elven craft in Gandalf's deeds. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

09-25-2003, 08:54 PM	#7
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	I think the staff must have something to do with Gandalf's power. Look at the way he argued to keep it when he got to Edoras, instead of turning it over before going in to see Theoden. He urged Aragorn to give over Anduril, yet he wouldn't give over his staff. I think it was more than that he was just too fond of it. __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

09-25-2003, 09:02 PM	#8
Noldorin King Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 30	Galadriel weaving a wonderful raiment for Gandalf makes sense, after all, it was she who made the clothing she gave to the ringbearer and his companions when they passed Lothlorien after the fall of Gandalf in the Bridge of Kazhad-dum. It just tells us that she was capable of doing meager work even if she was the highest ranking noble among the eldar of beleriand. Anyway, there's doubt on the subject that she helped create Gandalf's staff since it did possess great powers beyond the might of the Elves. Gandalf himself must have forged it since he was a Maia, a divine being who shared the power of the Great Gods of the west, and one who would be capable of bringing forth such magic to a thing made by the hands. I think if Galadriel did give some of her skills to the staff she wouldn't be powerful enough to shield her kingdom against the raid of Sauron's beasts since most of her ability is given forth...