Turgon's sword - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thingol · 01-14-2002, 07:48 PM

I vaugley remember a reference to Turgon's sword being the same as Gandalf's sword Glamdring. (Sorry for misspelling) Are they in fact one in the same?

red · 01-14-2002, 07:54 PM

You are correct! They are!

-réd

Inziladun · 01-14-2002, 10:04 PM

Elrond does say in The Hobbit that Glamdring was once worn by 'the king of Gondolin'. It makes one wonder what happened to the sword between the fall of Gondolin and its being found as part of a troll's plunder.

Yregwyn · 06-28-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Elrond does say in The Hobbit that Glamdring was once worn by 'the king of Gondolin'. It makes one wonder what happened to the sword between the fall of Gondolin and its being found as part of a troll's plunder.

Yes, that would be a story i would like to hear. Also ive read somewhere that Orcrist was Ecthelion's sword. it would be interesting to find out how the BOTH ended up there, its a long shot to say they were kept together through the 2nd and 3rd ages. That would be what? 8 or 9 thousand years? Sting was also from Gondolin wasnt it?

Galin · 06-28-2014, 01:01 PM

Orcrist is not, as far as I know today anyway, attested as Ecthelion's sword...

... I too have read the fan argument[s] on the web, but any that I have seen are largely based on details from The Book of Lost Tales (and still only conjecture) -- details that we have no certain way of knowing Tolkien was even going to retain however.

In the updated (but unfinished) Fall of Gondolin [long prose version, Unfinished Tales] Tolkien describes the notable spike on Ecthelion's helm, possibly indicating that JRRT was still going to have Ecthelion slay Gothmog by spiking him with his helmet and falling with Gothmog into the fountain.

JRRT does not name Ecthelion's sword here, in any case, although obviously we do not get to the part where the great battle takes place.

Yregwyn · 06-28-2014, 08:25 PM

I guess it is up to our own imaginations.

01-14-2002, 07:48 PM	#1
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	Turgon's sword I vaugley remember a reference to Turgon's sword being the same as Gandalf's sword Glamdring. (Sorry for misspelling) Are they in fact one in the same? __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-14-2002, 07:54 PM	#2
red Spirit of Mischief Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Land of the free and home of the brave Posts: 368	You are correct! They are! -réd __________________ "Cats are like greatness: Some people are born into cat-loving families, some achieve cats, and some have cats thrust upon them." -William H. A. Carr

01-14-2002, 10:04 PM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,058	Elrond does say in The Hobbit that Glamdring was once worn by 'the king of Gondolin'. It makes one wonder what happened to the sword between the fall of Gondolin and its being found as part of a troll's plunder. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-28-2014, 08:25 PM	#6
Yregwyn Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 36	I guess it is up to our own imaginations. __________________ Fingolfin.....He passed over Dor-nu-fauglith like wind amid dust, and all that beheld his onslaught fled in amaze, thinking Orome himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.

06-28-2014, 01:01 PM	#5
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,031	Orcrist is not, as far as I know today anyway, attested as Ecthelion's sword... ... I too have read the fan argument[s] on the web, but any that I have seen are largely based on details from The Book of Lost Tales (and still only conjecture) -- details that we have no certain way of knowing Tolkien was even going to retain however. In the updated (but unfinished) Fall of Gondolin [long prose version, Unfinished Tales] Tolkien describes the notable spike on Ecthelion's helm, possibly indicating that JRRT was still going to have Ecthelion slay Gothmog by spiking him with his helmet and falling with Gothmog into the fountain. JRRT does not name Ecthelion's sword here, in any case, although obviously we do not get to the part where the great battle takes place.