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Old 10-08-2020, 04:39 AM   #10321
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That's more like it.
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Old 10-08-2020, 04:41 AM   #10322
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1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
8. - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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And 10 is Rings of Power. Specifically, Dwarven Rings.
It is also not, though 'seven' is indeed an accurate count.

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Old 10-08-2020, 04:48 AM   #10323
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All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.
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Old 10-08-2020, 04:56 AM   #10324
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All right, the closest I can think of for 8 is Elentari, where ELEPHANT loses H and P, and then we get ELEANT, and then it makes no sense.
Margreet Zelle is the birth name of Mata HARI. And elephant also loses the A of 'HAPpy'.

1. - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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Old 10-08-2020, 06:30 AM   #10325
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Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?
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Is 1 somehow Wilwarin, from William the Conqueror? Will+War+?
'in', a shorter form of within.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
2. - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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Old 10-08-2020, 10:36 AM   #10327
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#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:50 AM   #10328
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#2 - acticle = AN + pirate quoth = AR gives ANAR, but I am not sure where the "pattern comes in. It makes it sound like there is something beyond ANAR. But all that comes to mind are names like Anarion and Anardil, which don't really describe patterns either.
'Anar' is the right start (just about), but 'pattern' is the beginning of the straight clue; there's something else between.

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Old 10-08-2020, 12:11 PM   #10329
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Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)
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Anarrima (AN+ARR+IM+A)
That's the one!

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
10. - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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Old 10-08-2020, 02:32 PM   #10331
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6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.
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6 sounds like Carnil, as it is "car" as in red and as in vehicle.
'car' is the correct element for both of those, but it's not Carnil.

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Old 10-09-2020, 04:40 AM   #10333
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'Seven set' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.
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'Seven sets' suggests Orion. Could it be MENELMACAR, meaning 'Warrior of the sky?' Only because that name seems the closest to indicating power. 'Around' suggests scrambling a synonym of power, but I can't see one.
You're kind of on the right track, but why Orion? He's not particularly famous for his seven-ness (though I guess he does have seven main stars + the nebula... there's a lot of sevenness going on in the night sky, actually).

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10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?
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10. Valacirca (Valar+circle)?
Even simpler than that: Vala (singular, 'Power') + circa ('around, approximately').

They were of course specifically set by Varda as a warning to Melkor.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
4. - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.
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6. Borgil? Bor(n) means 'red' and Bor was an Easterling. Gil means 'star'.
Nope; as said a few posts up, 'car' was the correct element for red (and there's no mention of stars in the clue).

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Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...
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But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.
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Well, nothing seems to match the whole clue. Vehicle in the back would suggest Carrac or something...
I mean, I promise something does. But I didn't say "vehicle in the back"; I just said "in back".

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But if 'the' is 'ye', then 4 is Enelye, wife of the founder of the Third tribe aka Teleri.
It's ye olde spelling. ^_^ (Tolkien would hit me for typing that.)

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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Is there another word for 'in the back'?
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Is there another word for 'in the back'?
Rear?
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Carrock?
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Is there another word for 'in the back'?
I still didn't say "in the back".

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Carrock?
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So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck?
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So it's 'CAR' inside 'BACK'?


Baccark? Bacarck?
Again, I didn't say 'the right elements'... I wasn't talking about the components of the word.

If you break it up right, "or a vowel vehicle in back" literally spells out the answer.

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A quick hintthrough of the remaining clues:

3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!

Two words of this are a straight clue; the rest is orthographic.

5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!

'different filling' indicates one letter has been changed.

6. - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.

Everything after the dash is just me spelling out the word; it can be broken into four parts (and you already know that 'vehicle' = car).

7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.

"The first is | the east. The pirate agrees | so turn it on its head". The last part is neither straight nor cryptic; probably best to ignore it.

9. - Rings around the lower back.

The cryptic clue here is 3 words long and points to a single English word.

11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.

The misspelling of 'shepherd' was unintentional. ^_^' Find two words and then remove one; there's only so many 'shepherd' options in Middle-earth, right?

12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

The T. rex in question is not the dinosaur.

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6. OROCARNI. (facepalm)
Or + a vowel + vehicle + in, back(wards). The Red Mountains in the east of Middle-earth.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
11. - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shephard away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????
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For 11: Fen + ???t??? - Ent = ??????
'Ent' is correct for the shepherd, but 'fen' is not. 'Chemical-swamp' is in order, and 'ent' is present with no anagramming necessary.

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Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?
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Old 10-13-2020, 05:40 AM   #10355
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Which chemical, though? Or just 'chemical' in general?
That is one of the things you need to figure out, yes.

But I'm not a fan of super broad clues. I wouldn't have clued the 'swamp' half with 'landform' or something, for example.

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Old 10-13-2020, 08:43 AM   #10356
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Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...
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Right , so Maglor is the answer.


agent - ent = ag, which is also the chemical symbol for silver.



I can't see the swamp bit, so probably not that...unless...
Not Maglor, but you're right in removing 'ENT' from the 'chemical' half of the clue.

What sort of chemical is silver?

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Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?
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Element. Element - ent is ELEM

...It's ELEMMIRE, isn't it?
Indeed it is.

WILWARIN - The conqueror fights within? Say it shorter, flighty one.
ANARRIMA - "Article," quoth the pirate; I am a pattern named for the sun.
3. - Spell the water the old way - with a kick!
ENELYE - Spell it out: N, L, the (archaic), and marry her third.
5. - Go back to noodles with a different filling - sounds like a police siren?!
OROCARNI - The east is red - or a vowel vehicle in back.
7. - The first is the least. The pirate agrees, so turn it on its head.
ELENTARI - An elephant loses the beginning of its confused happiness, but gains the end of Margreet Zelle - behold the queen!
9. - Rings around the lower back.
VALACIRCA - Seven set power around.
ELEMMIRE - A chemical in a swamp? Send the shepherd away to find the lamenter.
12. - T. rex bangs it, the first gnomes start to end - this comes first.

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