A Norwegian skier named Frodo - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dûrbelethwen · 02-19-2006, 12:34 PM

While watching the Olympics I saw a skier from Norway whose first name is Frode. I did some searching and found out that the name means the same thing as Frodo, so in a sense his name is Frodo.

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 12:42 PM

The leader of Her Majesty's Opposition and his missus have called theri son

Arthur Elwen Cameron...

All the papers have gone WHAT!!!!???? I just thought ..but that's a girls's name!!!

One paper has equated it with Elwin (Alboin) and translated it Elf-friend but surely it is Elf-maiden or Star-maiden?

David Cameron has denied the Tolkien connection saying his wife found it in a book and liked it.... but I can't help thinking that even Frodo would have been better for a boy...

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-19-2006, 12:47 PM

I did a double take when I heard that Norwegian name during Olympics on TV last week!

I heard a rumour that the singer Sting chose his name in honour of Bilbo and Frodo's sword. Can anyone confirm that?

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 12:55 PM

Sorry to be dull but I believe it was down to a stripey sweater that made him look like a wasp/bee..

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-19-2006, 01:01 PM

I was slightly freaked out by the name of that Cameron child, considering I sometimes call a girlfriend Elwen.

The Sun reported that many experts believe that the child is named after 'Lord of the Rings elf Elwen'. What a laugh!

Mithalwen · 02-19-2006, 01:33 PM

well I was about to write to The Telegraph when they associated it only with computer games, but the Alboin thing was in the Mail..... but they didn't write as if they really knew what they were talking about (surprise surprise)

Selmo · 02-20-2006, 05:38 AM

Tolkien took all his non-Elvish names straight out of old tales from various Northern European cultures. It would not suprise me to learn that Frodo is a common name in parts of Scandinavia.

Elwen is derived fron the Anglo-Saxon Elfwin of Alfwine, meaning Elf friend. (I though everyone would know that).
I assume that it's a name originally given to someone who's a bit dozy or "otherworldly"; "off with the fairies", as my grandmother might have said..

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-20-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dûrbelethwen

While watching the Olympics I saw a skier from Norway whose first name is Frode. I did some searching and found out that the name means the same thing as Frodo, so in a sense his name is Frodo.

Frode is a quite common name in Scandinavia. I don't remember how it is pronounced in Norway but in Denmark you allmost can't hear the D. Unlike Frodo

Gothmog · 02-20-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Selmo

Elwen is derived fron the Anglo-Saxon Elfwin of Alfwine, meaning Elf friend. (I though everyone would know that).

I assume that it's a name originally given to someone who's a bit dozy or "otherworldly"; "off with the fairies", as my grandmother might have said..

That's right, and the Swedish (Scandinavian?) version of the old Elfwin is Albin.

When it comes to the name Frode (That must be Estil. Haven't you heard of him before? Well, I'm Swede so skiing might be a bit more popular here...), why are you surprised that it reminds you of Frodo? There's a lot of threads discussing the Tolkien-Norse connection. The fact that some names still remain in the Scandinavian laguages is only natural.

When I read this post, it comes out as slightly aggressive. Don't read it like that! It's an order! If you do, then I'll...

Edit: Cross-posted with Rune. In Danish, you can't hear 50% of the letters

Rune Son of Bjarne · 02-20-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gothmog

In Danish, you can't hear 50% of the letters

We just like to make things complicated, thats all. . .

It's not like your language isn't silly. . .When a swede talks it sounds like they are half singing.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-20-2006, 08:10 AM

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Elwen is derived fron the Anglo-Saxon Elfwin of Alfwine, meaning Elf friend. (I though everyone would know that).

But that would be Elwin. My guess is that somehow the form picked by the Camerons has been corrupted, perhaps due to phonetic spelling at some point in its history. However, one could translate the wen component as OE wēn, 'supposition, opinion, thought, idea' or 'hope, expectation', and if they found it in a book then the author may have chosen the spelling for this reason.

As for the component wen meaning 'woman', that's true in Sindarin but not English. The similar component in Éowyn's name is OE wynn(e) ('joy, delight, happiness, etc.') and is non-gender-specific.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 02-20-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh

But that would be Elwin. My guess is that somehow the form picked by the Camerons has been corrupted, perhaps due to phonetic spelling at some point in its history. However, one could translate the wen component as OE wēn, 'supposition, opinion, thought, idea' or 'hope, expectation', and if they found it in a book then the author may have chosen the spelling for this reason.

As for the component wen meaning 'woman', that's true in Sindarin but not English. The similar component in Éowyn's name is OE wynn(e) ('joy, delight, happiness, etc.') and is non-gender-specific.

I have determined that Squatter (skwa-tur) is a compound of the Old Gothic verb skwat meaning 'learned, deeply knowledgable, informed' and the Old Norse terin meaning 'ferocious, monstrous, terrifyingly big'.

Anguirel · 02-20-2006, 01:53 PM

A Norwegian skier named Frodo
Was to the Swedes quite a la modo.
Yet the Cameron child
Eorl Elwen the Wild
And the Danes, preferred calling him Odo.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-23-2006, 08:21 AM

Well, Fordim, that could be so; but it could equally be derived from the Indo-Germanic compound skvot tur, meaning 'pretentious show-off who has Bosworth-Toller bookmarked'.

Alphaelin · 03-02-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dûrbelethwen

While watching the Olympics I saw a skier from Norway whose first name is Frode. I did some searching and found out that the name means the same thing as Frodo, so in a sense his name is Frodo.

Lol, my daughter & I saw him too, and spent about an hour cheering on "Frodo Estel"! (Apologies to Scandinavian Downers...it was impossible to resist changing 'Estil'.)

02-19-2006, 12:34 PM	#1
Dûrbelethwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	A Norwegian skier named Frodo While watching the Olympics I saw a skier from Norway whose first name is Frode. I did some searching and found out that the name means the same thing as Frodo, so in a sense his name is Frodo.

02-19-2006, 12:42 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	And a politician's moppet named Elwen.... The leader of Her Majesty's Opposition and his missus have called theri son Arthur Elwen Cameron... All the papers have gone WHAT!!!!???? I just thought ..but that's a girls's name!!! One paper has equated it with Elwin (Alboin) and translated it Elf-friend but surely it is Elf-maiden or Star-maiden? David Cameron has denied the Tolkien connection saying his wife found it in a book and liked it.... but I can't help thinking that even Frodo would have been better for a boy... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2006, 12:47 PM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,645	I did a double take when I heard that Norwegian name during Olympics on TV last week! I heard a rumour that the singer Sting chose his name in honour of Bilbo and Frodo's sword. Can anyone confirm that? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-19-2006, 12:55 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	Sorry to be dull but I believe it was down to a stripey sweater that made him look like a wasp/bee.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2006, 01:01 PM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,992	I was slightly freaked out by the name of that Cameron child, considering I sometimes call a girlfriend Elwen. The Sun reported that many experts believe that the child is named after 'Lord of the Rings elf Elwen'. What a laugh! __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	well I was about to write to The Telegraph when they associated it only with computer games, but the Alboin thing was in the Mail..... but they didn't write as if they really knew what they were talking about (surprise surprise) __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-20-2006, 05:38 AM	#7
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	Tolkien took all his non-Elvish names straight out of old tales from various Northern European cultures. It would not suprise me to learn that Frodo is a common name in parts of Scandinavia. Elwen is derived fron the Anglo-Saxon Elfwin of Alfwine, meaning Elf friend. (I though everyone would know that). I assume that it's a name originally given to someone who's a bit dozy or "otherworldly"; "off with the fairies", as my grandmother might have said.. Last edited by Selmo; 02-20-2006 at 05:56 AM.

02-20-2006, 01:53 PM	#13
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,825	A Norwegian skier named Frodo Was to the Swedes quite a la modo. Yet the Cameron child Eorl Elwen the Wild And the Danes, preferred calling him Odo. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-23-2006, 08:21 AM	#14
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,206	The derivation of my name Well, Fordim, that could be so; but it could equally be derived from the Indo-Germanic compound skvot tur, meaning 'pretentious show-off who has Bosworth-Toller bookmarked'. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?