Who's Got the Horn of Gondor? (Continuity is not PJ's strong suit.) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Beanamir of Gondor · 03-02-2008, 08:27 PM

I haven't found any other threads that mention this... it's just a minor quibble I have, possibly even just my own confusion on continuity.

During TTT:EE, just before the flashback involving Boromir and Faramir in Osgiliath with their father, we see Faramir sitting in the Window on the West, looking miserable and holding the cloven horn of Gondor. It's quite a moving scene.
But in RoTK, when we first meet Denethor in Minas Tirith, he's holding the cloven Horn of Gondor, and it prompts a Pippin!Flashback. Yet just after Gandalf rescues Faramir's company from the Nazgul, they meet inside the Gates of Minas Tirith, and Faramir says that he saw Frodo and Sam "not two days ago, in Ithilien."

I'm having trouble figuring out whether (a) Faramir stopped in Minas Tirith in the two days between releasing Frodo & Sam, and the retreat from Osgiliath, to drop off the Horn and head out for the battle, (b) it's a continuity mistake, or (c) PJ forgot to tell us about the Gondorian Pony Express, or the magical warping properties of the Horn of Gondor... something like that.

In "The Siege of Gondor", the story is that Faramir had not returned to Minas Tirith since seeing the Halflings... but is there anything about it in the films? Feel free to add any other gripes about continuity.

Sauron the White · 03-02-2008, 09:18 PM

An important find such as this wound have been sent by the fastest known messengers direct to Minas Tirith. Its really no problem in continuity at all. In a film, you do not have to see every little thing that happens in every little place. A viewer can connect the dots quite nicely.

Beanamir of Gondor · 03-03-2008, 02:46 PM

Hmm, yes, I suppose so.
At the same time, Faramir says that the HoG "washed up on the riverbank" four days before. Four days! He's been hanging onto it that long, and somewhere between meeting Sam & Frodo, and defending Osgiliath, he decides to send it back?

Also, I still want to know what happened to the horses at the Black Gate.

Sauron the White · 03-03-2008, 03:33 PM

hmmmm - well then I have no idea.

William Cloud Hicklin · 03-03-2008, 05:22 PM

Of course in the book the problem doesn't arise, since Faramir never had the horn.

sassyfriend · 09-01-2011, 08:28 PM

I think Faramir went and showed his father what he had found after grieving what he had found. If that makes any sense at all.

03-02-2008, 08:27 PM	#1
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Who's Got the Horn of Gondor? (Continuity is not PJ's strong suit.) I haven't found any other threads that mention this... it's just a minor quibble I have, possibly even just my own confusion on continuity. During TTT:EE, just before the flashback involving Boromir and Faramir in Osgiliath with their father, we see Faramir sitting in the Window on the West, looking miserable and holding the cloven horn of Gondor. It's quite a moving scene. But in RoTK, when we first meet Denethor in Minas Tirith, he's holding the cloven Horn of Gondor, and it prompts a Pippin!Flashback. Yet just after Gandalf rescues Faramir's company from the Nazgul, they meet inside the Gates of Minas Tirith, and Faramir says that he saw Frodo and Sam "not two days ago, in Ithilien." I'm having trouble figuring out whether (a) Faramir stopped in Minas Tirith in the two days between releasing Frodo & Sam, and the retreat from Osgiliath, to drop off the Horn and head out for the battle, (b) it's a continuity mistake, or (c) PJ forgot to tell us about the Gondorian Pony Express, or the magical warping properties of the Horn of Gondor... something like that. In "The Siege of Gondor", the story is that Faramir had not returned to Minas Tirith since seeing the Halflings... but is there anything about it in the films? Feel free to add any other gripes about continuity. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

03-03-2008, 02:46 PM	#3
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Hmm, yes, I suppose so. At the same time, Faramir says that the HoG "washed up on the riverbank" four days before. Four days! He's been hanging onto it that long, and somewhere between meeting Sam & Frodo, and defending Osgiliath, he decides to send it back? Also, I still want to know what happened to the horses at the Black Gate. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

03-03-2008, 05:22 PM	#5
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,301	Of course in the book the problem doesn't arise, since Faramir never had the horn. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

03-02-2008, 09:18 PM	#2
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	An important find such as this wound have been sent by the fastest known messengers direct to Minas Tirith. Its really no problem in continuity at all. In a film, you do not have to see every little thing that happens in every little place. A viewer can connect the dots quite nicely.

03-03-2008, 03:33 PM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	hmmmm - well then I have no idea.

09-01-2011, 08:28 PM	#6
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	I think Faramir went and showed his father what he had found after grieving what he had found. If that makes any sense at all.