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Old 01-20-2001, 05:57 PM   #121
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Thanks Voronwe and H-I - Ok...Keeping with the Hobbit-y theme, who was the first Thain of the Shire and how long did his family/line hold that title for?

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it was Bucca of the Marish, of whom Oldbucks claimed descent. As for how long, I don't remember exactly, but apparently until Oldbucks crossed Baranduin and changed their name to Brandybucks, and thainship came to Tooks.
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Whoops

Actually I wasn't looking for a year or event; rather that they held the title for 10 generations, (which was not clear when I asked so admittedly I phrased the question wrongly.) <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Ask!

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In the Hobbit, how are called Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri?
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Old 01-25-2001, 06:59 PM   #125
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Well,

I'm not exactly sure, but Elrond does say when asked about Glamdring and Orcrist that these are &quot;old swords of the High Elves of the West...&quot; And the remaining Silvan Teleri Elves would be plain Wood Elves?


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Well, that is correct so far, but I need three kindreds of high elves. As a hint - they are called so not by any character, but by a narrator (i e Tolkien himself)
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Old 01-27-2001, 03:45 PM   #127
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Found It

Ok, I think I have it now...It's after the spider part, where Tolkien says:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;The feasting people were Wood-elves, of course...They differed from the High Elves of the West...for most of them were descended from the ancient triebes that never went to Faerie in the West. There the Light-elves (presumably Vanyar) and the Deep-elves (Noldor) and the Sea-elves (Teleri) went and lived for ages...&quot;<hr></blockquote>

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He gues-s-sed, my precious-s-s, he gues-s-sed

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Old 01-28-2001, 03:21 AM   #129
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Precious-s-s!

We hates-s-s it precious-s-s, nasty dirty enep! <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> What are named the green elves-s-s, with bright eyes we hates, that marched into ossiriand? (In Quenya, precious-s-s, in Quenya... <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> )

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'...and they were called the Laiquendi, the Green-elves, because of their raiment of the colour of leaves...'
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Old 01-28-2001, 03:40 PM   #131
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Laiquendi

Yup. Laiquendi were the Green-Elves. Continue!

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Whoops

(posted twice again and didn't realise it till the next morn. Apologies <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> )

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These items are in LoTR always called by their 'translated' name, though their proper name is known as well. One of them nearly became 'bane' for one of the banakil. Give me both names
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Old 01-29-2001, 02:56 PM   #134
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Double Trouble

Hmm...I think I get what you're saying, but...you want both names of an object that was nearly the 'bane' of one of the halflings? I can only think of one instance though, and it doesn't really fit...Pippin getting crushed by a Troll/Olog Hai. Hmm.

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A hint - Pippin is ok, but a 'bane' is an object
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Like the elvish swords of Gondolin. I remember in The Hobbit I think, the goblins called glamdring and orcrist banes or something like that.

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And Durin's Bane, the balrog. Erm...AHAH! After trying to remember every single instance where Pippin does something wrong...It must have been when Pippin looked into the Palantir/Seeing-stone? Palantir/Orthanc-stone? <img src=smile.gif ALT="">

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Right. And in the LoTR palantiri are never (at least in the bulk of a text itself) called so, but always 'seeing-stones' shoot away, enep
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Thanks. Would've been earlier but for School <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> Continuing on the same basic idea, partly because I can't think of anything original, what are the three names of the mountain on which Manwe and Varda dwell?

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Amon Uilos, Oiolosse, and Taniquetil.

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Correct. I was actually looking for the Westron name, 'Holy Mountain' but Amon Uilos is 100% correct. Ask us, Sharku!

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Who had &quot;weeds in their silver hair&quot;?

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Yes!
Thought of a custom title yet, fellow G-P?

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Nay, I did not yet (m-mm, I was not given an offer to choose one yet, either )

And here is the next qustion:

Where was old castle of Durthang located?
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Northwest of Mordor, where the Ephel Duįth and Ered Lithui meet just above Udūn.

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Correct, and really quick at that.
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By which title did Frodo speak in reverence of Mrs Maggot?

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A queen among farmers, probably?
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Exactly!

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Aha, than let us have some more hobbitish stuff. what was the etimology of a word 'fallohide'?
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Hmm...I don't know exactly, and I looked it up but couldn't get an exact answer. The only lead I got was that it is a derivative from the old english word fealuhaer, meaning 'yellow haired.' Apart from that I don't know. :rollyeyes

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Hmm...

I think it's time to ask a new question, H-I. I can't find anything on fallohides.

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sounds like straw covered back sides to me

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JRRT, Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings

Fallohide. This has given difficulty. It should if possible be translated, since it is meant to represent a name with a meaning in the Common Speech, though one devised in the past and so containing archaic elements. It is made of English fallow + hide (cognates of German falb and Haut) and means 'Paleskin'. It is archaic, since fallow 'pale, yellowish' is not now in use, except in fallow deer, and hide is no longer applied to human skin (except as a transference back from its use of animal hides, used for leather). But this element of archaism need not be imitated. See III 414 on the relation of special hobbit words to the language of Rohan.
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Re: Hmm...

Seven stones, seven stars and one white tree.

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Old 02-14-2001, 02:40 PM   #158
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Re: Hmm...

Name the &quot;Lord of Gifts&quot;.

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