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Elrond Jr · 05-10-2003, 12:24 AM

While talking about Hugo's other roles don't forget about ian's other roles.....ie- Chauvelin in the Scarlet Pimpernel!

Everdawn · 05-10-2003, 02:04 AM

Man, I think Ian is TOPS at playing bad guys.. I would sell my mother for role as a bad guy!...*sorry mum**[ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Everdawn ]

Pookabunny · 05-10-2003, 02:59 AM

The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it.I LOVE Hugo Weaving. He was incredible in "Pricilla" I could only imagine a cross-over LOTR/Pricilla pic of Elrond wearing that sandal-dress OMG MAGNETO! Wow, when I was watching X2 (I JUST saw it today and OMG LOVED IT!), it took me a while to really let it sink in - Ian McKellen is such an incredible actor. Magneto is such a complex and interesting character - he's evil, yet has good intentions (just POOR execution!). And he's a smartass. Granted Gandalf is complex too, but it's on a different level. Magneto is bad, but has loyalties and his badness is driven by experience. So he's got this duality thing going for him, and Sir Ian pulls it off quite well. Then, there's Gandalf - who is Good through and through. I love him as both.And I'm SO GLAD Ian McKellen is NOT playing Dumbledore. That would lead to typecasting, and that would just SUCK.Typecasting is BAD. Actors may play similar roles, but genres and the like need to be explored for an actor to be credible (in my mind).Take a look at Chevy Chase. Has he made ANYTHING that isn't Lampoon-esque?[ May 10, 2003: Message edited by: Pookabunny ]

Tinuviel Took · 05-10-2003, 03:04 AM

Okay here my two cents worth. I loved Sir Ian in X-men, the Scarlet Pimpernel, and LOTR. However even though I did not see the Matrix before LOTR I abhored Hugo as Elrond. There was no kindly elven lord, no merry elf, no loving father, he was just a stiff proud person with man-like aregance. PJ's Elrond was as messed up as his Faramir.[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel Took ]

Arathiriel · 05-11-2003, 12:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL - Yeah he did sound a lot like Agent Smith right at that moment didn't he?'Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson...' <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>There was no kindly elven lord, no merry elf, no loving father, he was just a stiff proud person with man-like aregance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I couldn't disagree with you more here! I thought Elrond was portrayed well in FOTR and TTT and I didn't find him the least bit arrogant either![ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Arathiriel ]

Everdawn · 05-11-2003, 12:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>MEHMEHMEH... The Matrix was on TV again last night... I laughed all the way through, much to the annoyance of my family who were trying to sleep..

Voralphion · 05-18-2003, 11:41 PM

I know it isn't about Hugo Weaving or Ian Mckellan, but what about the role of Christopher Lee in Star Wars Attack of the Clones as Count Duku. I saw it the other day and I almost started laughing when he kept talking about the dark lord.[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Voralphion ]

HCIsland · 05-19-2003, 06:10 PM

I find those two roles of Christopher Lee more interesting because there are so many parallels between Dooku and Saruman.H.C.

Elrond Jr · 05-22-2003, 12:20 AM

yes....i agree......but it's pretty funny, the hair difference especially. And seeing doku fight, that wuz neat...

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-22-2003, 01:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I couldn't disagree with you more here! I thought Elrond was portrayed well in FOTR and TTT and I didn't find him the least bit arrogant either! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Same. I think that Hugo was great as Elrond, and, anyhow, at least I can't think of an actor who could have done him better. I also thought Faramir was good, but that would be going off topic... by the way, did David Wenham have any other roles? And, if so, have any of you seen them?~Menelien

balrogman · 05-24-2003, 10:51 AM

my brother bought the attack of the clones dvd and ive never watched it yet, maybe i should just to see christopher lee...i dont know about you guys, but i can only see sam as rudy! i love that movie, so i cant really get that out of my head..haha

Voralphion · 05-25-2003, 10:08 PM

who is Rudy?

Manwe Sulimo · 05-26-2003, 09:45 AM

The movie, Rudy, was about a kid named Rudy (played by good old Sean Astin) who really wanted to play football. He went to school at Notre Dame and finally got to play in the last game, where he got a sack on the last play.I actually didn't make the connection between Rudy and Sam...of course, we watched Rudy in health class (mental health unit, don't ask), so I wasn't paying attention.

Brinniel · 05-26-2003, 10:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I find those two roles of Christopher Lee more interesting because there are so many parallels between Dooku and Saruman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I couldn't agree with you more. Those two characters seem very much alike, especially when they're both played by Christopher Lee. When Dooku tells Obi-Wan-Kenobi to join him, I can't help but think of Saruman.

Frodo 007 · 06-10-2003, 07:56 PM

I think people should just learn to accept that Ian McKellen & Hugo Weaving are only actors, which means they won't only be in LOTR and there's nothing you can do about it!!!

The Only Real Estel · 06-10-2003, 08:07 PM

I don't think people care about Hugo being in LOTR as much as some people think they do. I think they actually couldn't care less, for the most part.

Tinuviel of Denton · 06-11-2003, 01:49 AM

I agree. I wish that some of Elrond's more humorous lines had been kept.I didn't even realize that those two were the same actors for a very long time. It's funny, everyone talks about the actors, and I don't even know their names because all I care about is the story. Sometimes, I wish I did so I could post on the "what actor would play..." threads. Oh, well.Actually, the only one I noticed was Christopher Lee as both Saruman and Count Dooku. Talk about typecasting. (I only know that one because Zel Ladrona is a Star Wars fan, much like I am a LotR fan.)

Elvanui · 06-11-2003, 09:40 AM

I laughed through all the scenes with count dooku. I really didn't like that movie so finding something humorous and LOTR related was great. I expected dooku to start giving the "New power is rising" speech b/c the lines and character were soooo similar. Anyway, I always get a laugh out of Elrond,at least in FOTR, not b/c Hugo played Agent Smith(although I think he is a delightful villian)but b/c I think the look he gives Sam and Merry and Pippen when he finds out that they have been listening in on the council priceless. He looks like he's thinking "what, is there a nazgul in the bushes that my elf senses ave failed to notice?!" The fact that he lets the hobbits go on the quest (and the near amused reaction he has to sam's appearance) shows that he is not completely serious and dour all the time. I think hugo did a good job with a character who is SUPPOSED to be serious and somewhat wistful that his people are passing into myth.

05-10-2003, 12:24 AM	#41
Elrond Jr Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 25	While talking about Hugo's other roles don't forget about ian's other roles.....ie- Chauvelin in the Scarlet Pimpernel! __________________ If winners never quit, and quitters never win. How did they get the phrase, "Quit while you're ahead"? Rate me, plz!

05-10-2003, 02:04 AM	#42
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	Man, I think Ian is TOPS at playing bad guys.. I would sell my mother for role as a bad guy!...sorry mum<p>[ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Everdawn ] __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena."* ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

05-10-2003, 02:59 AM	#43
Pookabunny Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The only place that matters! Posts: 181	The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it.<P>I LOVE Hugo Weaving. He was incredible in "Pricilla" I could only imagine a cross-over LOTR/Pricilla pic of Elrond wearing that sandal-dress <P>OMG MAGNETO! Wow, when I was watching X2 (I JUST saw it today and OMG LOVED IT!), it took me a while to really let it sink in - Ian McKellen is such an incredible actor. Magneto is such a complex and interesting character - he's evil, yet has good intentions (just POOR execution!). And he's a smartass. Granted Gandalf is complex too, but it's on a different level. Magneto is bad, but has loyalties and his badness is driven by experience. So he's got this duality thing going for him, and Sir Ian pulls it off quite well. Then, there's Gandalf - who is Good through and through. I love him as both.<P>And I'm SO GLAD Ian McKellen is NOT playing Dumbledore. That would lead to typecasting, and that would just SUCK.<P>Typecasting is BAD. Actors may play similar roles, but genres and the like need to be explored for an actor to be credible (in my mind).<P>Take a look at Chevy Chase. Has he made ANYTHING that isn't Lampoon-esque?<p>[ May 10, 2003: Message edited by: Pookabunny ] __________________ "I love you more than I did the week before, I discovered alcohol" - Bare Naked Ladies

05-10-2003, 03:04 AM	#44
Tinuviel Took Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 115	Okay here my two cents worth. I loved Sir Ian in X-men, the Scarlet Pimpernel, and LOTR. However even though I did not see the Matrix before LOTR I abhored Hugo as Elrond. There was no kindly elven lord, no merry elf, no loving father, he was just a stiff proud person with man-like aregance. PJ's Elrond was as messed up as his Faramir.<p>[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel Took ] __________________ "What my dear Lady Disdain! are you yet living?" "Is it possible Disdain should die while she hath such meet food to feed it, as Signore Benedick? Courtecy itself must convert to Disdain if you come in her presence"

05-11-2003, 12:37 AM	#45
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>LOL - Yeah he did sound a lot like Agent Smith right at that moment didn't he?<P><I>'Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson...'</I> <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>There was no kindly elven lord, no merry elf, no loving father, he was just a stiff proud person with man-like aregance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I couldn't disagree with you more here! I thought Elrond was portrayed well in FOTR and TTT and I didn't find him the least bit <B>arrogant</B> either!<p>[ May 11, 2003: Message edited by: Arathiriel ] __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

05-11-2003, 12:58 AM	#46
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The only time in FOTR that reminded me of Agent Smith was when he stood up at the council and said "you have only one choice"... I was waiting for him to finish it with "...Mr. Anderson" JUST because of the way he said it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>MEHMEHMEH... The Matrix was on TV again last night... I laughed all the way through, much to the annoyance of my family who were trying to sleep.. __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

05-18-2003, 11:41 PM	#47
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	I know it isn't about Hugo Weaving or Ian Mckellan, but what about the role of Christopher Lee in Star Wars Attack of the Clones as Count Duku. I saw it the other day and I almost started laughing when he kept talking about the dark lord.<p>[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Voralphion ] __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

05-19-2003, 06:10 PM	#48
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I find those two roles of Christopher Lee more interesting because there are so many parallels between Dooku and Saruman.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-22-2003, 12:20 AM	#49
Elrond Jr Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 25	yes....i agree......but it's pretty funny, the hair difference especially. And seeing doku fight, that wuz neat... __________________ If winners never quit, and quitters never win. How did they get the phrase, "Quit while you're ahead"? Rate me, plz!

05-22-2003, 01:44 AM	#50
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I couldn't disagree with you more here! I thought Elrond was portrayed well in FOTR and TTT and I didn't find him the least bit arrogant either!<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Same. I think that Hugo was great as Elrond, and, anyhow, at least I can't think of an actor who could have done him better. I also thought Faramir was good, but that would be going off topic... by the way, did David Wenham have any other roles? And, if so, have any of you seen them?<P>~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

05-24-2003, 10:51 AM	#51
balrogman Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: that place with the stuff Posts: 102	my brother bought the attack of the clones dvd and ive never watched it yet, maybe i should just to see christopher lee...i dont know about you guys, but i can only see sam as rudy! i love that movie, so i cant really get that out of my head..haha __________________ should i stay or should i go?

05-25-2003, 10:08 PM	#52
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	who is Rudy? __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

05-26-2003, 09:45 AM	#53
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	The movie, <I>Rudy</I>, was about a kid named Rudy (played by good old Sean Astin) who really wanted to play football. He went to school at Notre Dame and finally got to play in the last game, where he got a sack on the last play.<P>I actually didn't make the connection between Rudy and Sam...of course, we watched <I>Rudy</I> in health class (mental health unit, don't ask), so I wasn't paying attention. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

05-26-2003, 10:10 AM	#54
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I find those two roles of Christopher Lee more interesting because there are so many parallels between Dooku and Saruman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I couldn't agree with you more. Those two characters seem very much alike, especially when they're both played by Christopher Lee. When Dooku tells Obi-Wan-Kenobi to join him, I can't help but think of Saruman. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

06-10-2003, 07:56 PM	#55
Frodo 007 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand (Middle-Earth Baby Yeah!!!) Posts: 85	I think people should just learn to accept that Ian McKellen & Hugo Weaving are only actors, which means they won't only be in LOTR and there's nothing you can do about it!!! __________________ Elen Sila Lúmenn' Omentielvo

06-10-2003, 08:07 PM	#56
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I don't think people care about Hugo being in LOTR as much as some people think they do. I think they actually couldn't care less, for the most part.

06-11-2003, 01:49 AM	#57
Tinuviel of Denton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Amid the hills and dales of the Shire... or not. Posts: 579	I agree. I wish that some of Elrond's more humorous lines had been kept.<P>I didn't even realize that those two were the same actors for a very long time. It's funny, everyone talks about the actors, and I don't even know their names because all I care about is the story. Sometimes, I wish I did so I could post on the "what actor would play..." threads. Oh, well.<P>Actually, the only one I noticed was Christopher Lee as both Saruman and Count Dooku. Talk about typecasting. (I only know that one because Zel Ladrona is a Star Wars fan, much like I am a LotR fan.)

06-11-2003, 09:40 AM	#58
Elvanui Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: In mourning for...I dare not speak of it here Posts: 26	I laughed through all the scenes with count dooku. I really didn't like that movie so finding something humorous and LOTR related was great. I expected dooku to start giving the "New power is rising" speech b/c the lines and character were soooo similar. Anyway, I always get a laugh out of Elrond,at least in FOTR, not b/c Hugo played Agent Smith(although I think he is a delightful villian)but b/c I think the look he gives Sam and Merry and Pippen when he finds out that they have been listening in on the council priceless. He looks like he's thinking "what, is there a nazgul in the bushes that my elf senses ave failed to notice?!" The fact that he lets the hobbits go on the quest (and the near amused reaction he has to sam's appearance) shows that he is not completely serious and dour all the time. I think hugo did a good job with a character who is SUPPOSED to be serious and somewhat wistful that his people are passing into myth. __________________ Our love for this land is deeper than the deeps of the sea. Undying is our regret, yet we would cast it all away, rather than submit. What Should Be Shall Be. "we should be no less than what we are"-Tay Trefenwyd