Hollin/Eregion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Hirilaelin · 01-30-2003, 11:36 PM

When I read the Lord of the Rings, I was intrigued by the mention of the land of Hollin, near Moria. Legolas said:

Quote:

...But the elves of this land were strange to us silvan folk, and the trees and grass do not remember them. Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.

(Legolas, FotR, The Ring Goes South) They were friends of the dwarves, and helped build the secret door.

When I looked Hollin up in the index, it gave reference to Eregion. In Chapter Two, and Shadow of the Past, Gandalf said to Bilbo,

Quote:

In Eregion long ago, many elven rings were made, magic rings as you call them, and they were, of course, of various kinds: some more potent and some less.

(Gandalf, FotR, The Shadow of the Past) I assume he was talking about the three elven rings, Narya, Nenya, and Vilya. But, what happened to Hollin? (or Eregion) Does anyone know? Why did all the elves leave? What happened? (I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but Hollin, as I said, has intrigued me for quite some time.) If anyone knows anything on this subject, or anything about Hollin/Eregion, please reply! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

~Hirilaelin

Iargwath · 01-31-2003, 12:48 AM

The realm of the Mírdain (Eregion) is as you stated the home of the crafting of the 3 elven rings, by the greatest of elven smiths Celebrimbor.
These three rings were not influenced by the power of Sauron since Celebrimbor learned Sauron's intentions. He sought counsel with Galadriel soon after this. It was then that Celebrimbor was given permission to create the 3 elven rings.
But before this, the elven smiths of Eregion aided Sauron in the craft of the Rings of power. They were soon destroyed by Sauron in the Second age, hence the disappearence of the Elves from that land.
Edit: The Elves were great smiths since they were very close friends with the Dwarves, hence the similarities in lore.

[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ]

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-31-2003, 03:01 AM

Read U.T: History of Galdriel and Celeborn for mre info.

There were also some loremasters in Eregion, of whom Pengolodoh is the only one left.

the guy who be short · 01-31-2003, 05:08 AM

when you say that the 3 elven rings were smithed by celebrinbor greatest of elves, you are wrong.
jrrt clearly states that feanor was the greatest smith of elves ever to be.
sorry 4 sidetracking

Iargwath · 01-31-2003, 06:00 AM

I meant that he was the greatest smith in Eregion. It is clear to me that Feanor is the greatest of elven smiths. Sorry if it wasnt clear to you...

Hirilaelin · 01-31-2003, 12:05 PM

Thank you for the replies! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

~Hirilaelin

01-31-2003, 12:48 AM	#2
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 237	The realm of the Mírdain (Eregion) is as you stated the home of the crafting of the 3 elven rings, by the greatest of elven smiths Celebrimbor. These three rings were not influenced by the power of Sauron since Celebrimbor learned Sauron's intentions. He sought counsel with Galadriel soon after this. It was then that Celebrimbor was given permission to create the 3 elven rings. But before this, the elven smiths of Eregion aided Sauron in the craft of the Rings of power. They were soon destroyed by Sauron in the Second age, hence the disappearence of the Elves from that land. Edit: The Elves were great smiths since they were very close friends with the Dwarves, hence the similarities in lore. [ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-31-2003, 03:01 AM	#3
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Read U.T: History of Galdriel and Celeborn for mre info. There were also some loremasters in Eregion, of whom Pengolodoh is the only one left. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-31-2003, 06:00 AM	#5
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 237	I meant that he was the greatest smith in Eregion. It is clear to me that Feanor is the greatest of elven smiths. Sorry if it wasnt clear to you... __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-31-2003, 12:05 PM	#6
Hirilaelin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Immersed in a Good Book Posts: 392	Thank you for the replies! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ~Hirilaelin __________________ ...so I fired two warning shots. Into his head. - Chicago Let Helky stay! Bree\|Imladris\|guess you'll never know...

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01-31-2003, 05:08 AM	#4
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,496	when you say that the 3 elven rings were smithed by celebrinbor greatest of elves, you are wrong. jrrt clearly states that feanor was the greatest smith of elves ever to be. sorry 4 sidetracking