Geography Grilling - Page 15 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Perky Ent · 04-13-2004, 10:53 PM

Random guess, 50 miles!

Lindolirian · 04-14-2004, 07:51 AM

Guessing won't get you anywhere even if by some odd chance you get it right. HINT: These names are rare names for well-known places.

NightKnight · 04-18-2004, 10:05 AM

I really hate you for this one...I can't find Uruktharbum anywhere.

Are you sure of the spelling?

Lindolirian · 04-18-2004, 06:10 PM

Good call... It's actually Uruktharbun with an n rather than an m . Sorry for the confusion.

The Perky Ent · 04-18-2004, 08:29 PM

Well, i think the common names are Moria and Nindalf, but i don't know the distance between them! Um...400 miles?

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 12:35 AM

Well, that made it a lot easier...375 miles?

luthien-elvenprincess · 04-19-2004, 05:38 AM

That does help! I'll say about 425 miles

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 02:38 PM

375 is correct!

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 02:48 PM

That one was evil...very evil.

And to relieve everyone, I will ask an easy question.

Name three places in Middle-Earth that were named after someone.

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 02:54 PM

Hey it wasn't that evil...

Fangorn
Cerin Amroth
Nimrodel

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 02:59 PM

It was at first, when you had spelt it wrong.

You're correct, and may therefore continue.

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:03 PM

What made Great Gelion "greater" than Little Gelion?

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:07 PM

More water flowed through it?

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:11 PM

Blast! Ye saw through me trick. You were supposed to say that it was longer (which it isn't), but No.. you had to go and be smart and give the right answer, didn't ya?

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:15 PM

Of course...I actually checked the length too.

How far is it from Meneltarma to Andunië?

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:18 PM

250 miles as the crow flies.

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:25 PM

And if it flies back home, it's 500 miles. But then it would crash into that big mountain there.

So if you help the poor bird, it's your turn.

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:33 PM

Shoot, thats a really long way for a bird to fly. Though hummingbirds can make it across the Gulf of Mexico... bah who cares? (Cept for the fish that jump up and eat 'em) So now that this has nothing to do with Geography, I shall now ask a question.

Take the area of the lake around which Fingolfin settled. Add that to the area of the lake near the place that Gandalf used his influence to help keep Sauron from seeing Frodo. Then subtract that by the area of the lake in which lie the rotting bones of another big lizard. This number is the area of a lake in what region?

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:42 PM

Jeez, you really like making these things hard for me, don't you?

Well, Fingolfin settled around lake Mithrim... The lake close to Gandalf? Nen Hithoel? Nindalf? Lizard Lake is of course the Long Lake. And the sizes of those things...? Wild shot: Nurnen?

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:49 PM

Mithrim, Nen Hithoel, and Long Lake are correct. But the crucial final answer is not...

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:54 PM

Nenuial? Helevorn?

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 03:56 PM

No and no. The number is exact which intrigued me and prompted me to ask this question.

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 03:57 PM

Where do you find the numbers? Just measure on a map?

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 04:00 PM

The Atlas of Middle Earth. But yes it is possible to estimate by measuring. Thats what got me to look it up.

NightKnight · 04-19-2004, 04:02 PM

I think I'll give up on this one. Too hard for me, but it is a great question.

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-19-2004, 06:04 PM

Lake Mithrim is 256 sq miles.
Nen Hithoel is 244 sq miles.
Long Lake is 93 sq miles.

256 + 244 - 93 = 407, the area in sq miles of Lake Linaewen in Nevrast.

Of course, my finding the answer has nothing to do with my owning a copy of the Atlas of Middle-earth.

Lindolirian · 04-19-2004, 08:19 PM

Geography and Maths.. you're darn right! I couldn't resist the temptation to put a spin on it. In any case, you are correct. And of course, that book had absolutely nothing to do with your answer. You are just that good at measuring shapless lakes on maps..

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-20-2004, 06:18 AM

When it comes to maths, adding and subtracting a few numbers just about stretches me to the limit.

Name three areas (excluding any part of Mordor) that became barren wastelands in consequence of evil.

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 06:45 AM

Hey I never said you couldn't use a calculator!

Places left desolate by evil:
Ard-Galen (Anfauglith)
Dale (Desolation of Smaug)
Dagorlad*
Hollin
Field beneath the Party Tree in Hobbiton.**

*I don't know if this counts a a part of Mordor or not because its so close.
** A little small to count as a region, but it could work...

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-20-2004, 07:05 AM

I'll give you Anfauglith and the Desolation of Smaug.

But Dagorlad was not, as I understand it, "changed" by the Battle of Dagorlad. It was a dry dusty plain bordered by marshes before. I don't really picture Hollin as a barren wasteland. And as for the Party Field, well just no.

So I still need one more ...

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 07:08 AM

Yeah I didn't expect those to work; I had hoped that at least one might make it. But now I feel rather silly that I didn't think of the Brown Lands straight away...

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-20-2004, 07:16 AM

Actually, the other one that I had was the Withered Heath, but the Brown Lands fits the bill admirably.

So now you get to go.

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 07:39 PM

What do these places have in common?

Caradhras
Ealges' Eyrie in Eastern Misty Mts.
Tol Sirion
Esgalduin

***Gandalf*** · 04-20-2004, 07:42 PM

they were all visited by gandalf?

Bombadil · 04-20-2004, 07:48 PM

they are all located in or around mountain ranges?

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 07:54 PM

It is much more in depth than that. Something happened at or near these places.
And no, Gandalf was never recorded being at Tol Sirion or Esgalduin.

Bombadil · 04-20-2004, 07:58 PM

hmmm, im pretty sure this is wrong but...

at least one of the rings of power have passed through one of these places at some time?

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 08:05 PM

Tol Sirion and Esgalduin were well under the Sea before the formation of the Gwaith-i-Mirdain, so those wouldn't fit. Sorry.

HINT: Death

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-20-2004, 08:42 PM

Death of a Wolf or Wolves (at or near all of these places).

Caradhras: The Warg that attacked the Fellowship in Eregion (killed by Gandalf).
Ealges' Eyrie in Eastern Misty Mts: A number of the Wargs who, with the Goblins, had Thorin & Co trapped in the trees (killed by Gandalf).
Tol Sirion: Draugluin (killed by Huan).
Esgalduin: Carcharoth (killed by Huan)

Lindolirian · 04-20-2004, 08:47 PM

The Man of the Pans has it!

04-13-2004, 10:53 PM	#561
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Random guess, 50 miles! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-14-2004, 07:51 AM	#562
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Guessing won't get you anywhere even if by some odd chance you get it right. HINT: These names are rare names for well-known places. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-18-2004, 10:05 AM	#563
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	I really hate you for this one...I can't find Uruktharbum anywhere. Are you sure of the spelling? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-18-2004, 06:10 PM	#564
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Good call... It's actually Uruktharbun with an n rather than an m . Sorry for the confusion. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-18-2004, 08:29 PM	#565
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,332	Well, i think the common names are Moria and Nindalf, but i don't know the distance between them! Um...400 miles? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

04-19-2004, 12:35 AM	#566
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Well, that made it a lot easier...375 miles? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 05:38 AM	#567
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,034	That does help! I'll say about 425 miles __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

04-19-2004, 02:38 PM	#568
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	375 is correct! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 02:48 PM	#569
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Yes! That one was evil...very evil. And to relieve everyone, I will ask an easy question. Name three places in Middle-Earth that were named after someone. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 02:54 PM	#570
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Hey it wasn't that evil... Fangorn Cerin Amroth Nimrodel __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 02:59 PM	#571
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	It was at first, when you had spelt it wrong. You're correct, and may therefore continue. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:03 PM	#572
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Hmm.. What made Great Gelion "greater" than Little Gelion? __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:07 PM	#573
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	More water flowed through it? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:11 PM	#574
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Blast! Ye saw through me trick. You were supposed to say that it was longer (which it isn't), but No.. you had to go and be smart and give the right answer, didn't ya? __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:15 PM	#575
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Of course...I actually checked the length too. How far is it from Meneltarma to Andunië? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:18 PM	#576
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	250 miles as the crow flies. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:25 PM	#577
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	And if it flies back home, it's 500 miles. But then it would crash into that big mountain there. So if you help the poor bird, it's your turn. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:33 PM	#578
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Shoot, thats a really long way for a bird to fly. Though hummingbirds can make it across the Gulf of Mexico... bah who cares? (Cept for the fish that jump up and eat 'em) So now that this has nothing to do with Geography, I shall now ask a question. Take the area of the lake around which Fingolfin settled. Add that to the area of the lake near the place that Gandalf used his influence to help keep Sauron from seeing Frodo. Then subtract that by the area of the lake in which lie the rotting bones of another big lizard. This number is the area of a lake in what region? __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:42 PM	#579
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Jeez, you really like making these things hard for me, don't you? Well, Fingolfin settled around lake Mithrim... The lake close to Gandalf? Nen Hithoel? Nindalf? Lizard Lake is of course the Long Lake. And the sizes of those things...? Wild shot: Nurnen? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:49 PM	#580
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Mithrim, Nen Hithoel, and Long Lake are correct. But the crucial final answer is not... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:54 PM	#581
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Nenuial? Helevorn? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 03:56 PM	#582
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	No and no. The number is exact which intrigued me and prompted me to ask this question. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 03:57 PM	#583
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Where do you find the numbers? Just measure on a map? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 04:00 PM	#584
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	The Atlas of Middle Earth. But yes it is possible to estimate by measuring. Thats what got me to look it up. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2004, 04:02 PM	#585
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	I think I'll give up on this one. Too hard for me, but it is a great question. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-19-2004, 06:04 PM	#586
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Georgraphy AND Maths??!! Lake Mithrim is 256 sq miles. Nen Hithoel is 244 sq miles. Long Lake is 93 sq miles. 256 + 244 - 93 = 407, the area in sq miles of Lake Linaewen in Nevrast. Of course, my finding the answer has nothing to do with my owning a copy of the Atlas of Middle-earth. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-19-2004, 08:19 PM	#587
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Geography and Maths.. you're darn right! I couldn't resist the temptation to put a spin on it. In any case, you are correct. And of course, that book had absolutely nothing to do with your answer. You are just that good at measuring shapless lakes on maps.. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-20-2004, 06:18 AM	#588
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Next up When it comes to maths, adding and subtracting a few numbers just about stretches me to the limit. Name three areas (excluding any part of Mordor) that became barren wastelands in consequence of evil. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-20-2004, 06:45 AM	#589
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Hey I never said you couldn't use a calculator! Places left desolate by evil: Ard-Galen (Anfauglith) Dale (Desolation of Smaug) Dagorlad* Hollin Field beneath the Party Tree in Hobbiton.** I don't know if this counts a a part of Mordor or not because its so close. * A little small to count as a region, but it could work... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-20-2004, 07:05 AM	#590
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	I'll give you Anfauglith and the Desolation of Smaug. But Dagorlad was not, as I understand it, "changed" by the Battle of Dagorlad. It was a dry dusty plain bordered by marshes before. I don't really picture Hollin as a barren wasteland. And as for the Party Field, well just no. So I still need one more ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-20-2004, 07:08 AM	#591
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Yeah I didn't expect those to work; I had hoped that at least one might make it. But now I feel rather silly that I didn't think of the Brown Lands straight away... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-20-2004, 07:16 AM	#592
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Actually, the other one that I had was the Withered Heath, but the Brown Lands fits the bill admirably. So now you get to go. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-20-2004, 07:39 PM	#593
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Geographical One Thing in Common What do these places have in common? Caradhras Ealges' Eyrie in Eastern Misty Mts. Tol Sirion Esgalduin __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-20-2004, 07:42 PM	#594
*Gandalf* Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	they were all visited by gandalf?

04-20-2004, 07:48 PM	#595
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	they are all located in or around mountain ranges? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"