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Old 08-26-2001, 12:46 PM   #1
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You know.. same stuff.

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Old 08-27-2001, 02:46 PM   #2
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Re: Questions 2

I'm not sure what you are looking for here. Sounds like a discussion of capital punishment, perhaps. We've heard enough about people condemned to death with testimony of only one witness or a false witness. And we've seen people who did terrible things avoid the death penalty for years through appeals. A very difficult question. Most, or perhaps, all of the European nations have done away with the death penalty. Hard stuff!


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Old 08-27-2001, 03:21 PM   #3
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The quote was his sig. But perhaps you knew that, and your post was a joke. In which case I'll look pretty silly. Oh well.


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Old 08-27-2001, 09:29 PM   #4
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Eagles?...

This might be a good question for the Windlord: It seems like the eagles of middle-earth have some sort of &quot;royal&quot; history of descent (kind of like certain trees, or lines of royalty) -- is there any definitive list or eagle &quot;family tree&quot; that specifies this. I'm curious to find out

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Re: Eagles?...

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Perhaps they were descended from Manwe's eagles...

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Re: Eagles?...

I have a question:

In Arveduis shipwrech too of the nothern palantiri was lost, as was Arvedui <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> but the chief sign of royalty, The Sceptre of Annuminas was coriously NOT lost... as Elrond was able to give it to Aragorn at his wedding. Can anyone explain???

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Aranarth, a son of Arvedui, did not die in the shipwreck. It was he who advised Círdan of Arvedui's escape to the Ice Bay, so maybe Arvedui gave the sceptre to him.

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That is possible ... but unlikely, as a king doesnt give away his chief sign of royalty before he gives away his title... ??

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Arvedui was on the run when he died, and likely sent the sceptre with his sons to Lindon for safekeeping. He kept the palantiri, no doubt, for communication purposes. Kind of like a Middle-earth cell phone to make a 911.

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I agree with Gilthalion, I believe them to be decendants of the Eagles of Manwe


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testing my image.hmmm. can someone check the properties to see if my image is too big or what? it works on all the other ez boards and the url is correct.

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I'll just have to put it in the post instead.

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Here's a question that Gilthalion might be able to answer:
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Actually, I can't answer, beyond saying that it is a gaming system that was sold, which featured role playing in Middle-earth.

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ICE stands for &quot;Iron Crown Enterprises&quot;, the role-playing game company known for their &quot;Rolemaster&quot; gaming system. Years ago they had the license for Tolkien products (they don't any more) and produced many Middle-earth books and supplements of varying quality and accuracy.

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I have a question.

In your own words, describe your feelings about the fact that we are 20% genetically identical to lettuce.

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Dogs have five fingers..

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Since I've known many people who are over 85% intellectually identical to lettuce, I'd say the relatively low percentage of genetic similarity is rather shocking.

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I agree...shocking indeed.

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Lettuce shmettuce. Fruit-flies are the key.

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Does this mean I just killed my cousin with that fly swatter, and I may have had my second cousin ,twice removed ,for lunch???

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Every living being has cells, and since we are all made up of cells I find it not disturbing that we share the genetic material that formulates cells and cell structure

P.S Isn't this a little irrelevant?

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&quot;P.S Isn't this a little irrelevant?&quot;

Irrelevant!? Of course not! If you can't see how this ever-so-important query fits into the world of Tolkien, I'm certainly not telling.

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(It has to do with the late conception of orcs being spawned from corrupted lettuce, found in HoME 13, Halbarad.)

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lol...Sounds like a topic for The Silmarillion: Proposed Drafts and Canons (or whatever). I think this issue needs to be addressed in the most serious and intellectual of atmospheres.

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I am wondering. If the Balrogs had not come to Melkors aid, could Ungoliant have eaten Melkor? I think that her webs were too strong for him to break out of, so she probably would have eaten the other Silmarils and become even more powerful. If she had eaten Melkor, would his spirit be able to escape from her?

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Yes. And then she would have become soo powerfull that she at last had eaten all of Arda. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

No! I think the main problem is that if the Balrogs hadn't come to Melkors rescue, we wouldn't have the Silmarillion, the Akallabeth, the Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings...



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I have been talking with some freinds and we disagree on something. What I want to know is, do you think that if Melkor had worn the ring he would be more powerful? Sauron was a very powerful Maia, and he put alot of his own being into the Ring. So I think that if Melkor had worn the ring, even though Sauron did not compare in power with Melkor, Melkor would still gain power from it.

My freinds are arguing that power is never given from the less powerful to the more powerful, instead always the other way around. Melkor/Sauron -> Servants, Melian -> Thingol.. so on, so on.

What do you think?
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I've got a good, one, at least I think so. Seeing that when Carcharoth swallowed a silmaril it 'seared his accursed flesh' Do you think that Ungoliant would have become stronger by swallowing it or been filled with horrible pain?
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That's a interesting thought. I think the Silmarils would eventually have burned her up, as I think they would have burned and eventually killed Carcharoth... But yes - she migth have been stronger for a while, who knows? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I think she would have just become stronger, cause she was very powerful to begin with. the silmarils would probably kill any lesser being.
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The Silmarils burned Carcharoth and Melkor because they were hallowed artifacts. But when Ungoliant sucked the life out of the Two Trees (two of the most hallowed items in Arda, I'd venture) she showed no ill effect at all. In fact, her body and power swelled as she drained the Trees. From this, it would seem that the Silmarils, too, would have simply engorged her even more - perhaps to the point of bursting.

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I have a simple question.

When did Bombur die? I know he was alive when Frodo got to Rivendell, but Robert Fosters, Complete guide to ME says he dies in TA 3018, can anyone confirm?
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Good question! The Council was in the fall of 3018, and the war in 3019. If Bombur was to fat to move he certainly couldn't have fought in the battle at Dale. And nothing is mentioned of his death in the appendixes. Could have been a typo [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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