What was Smeagol/Gollum anyway....... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mayla Took · 01-29-2002, 12:05 AM

Many people have told me that Smeagol was (before he got the Ring) a Hobbit!!! I dissagree. To me that just doesn't sound correct. Doesn't Gandalf in the FOTR tell Frodo that they were a web footed race that lived by the river? Am I mistaken? Was Gullom REALLY a Hobbit?!?!!?

Eowyn of Ithilien · 01-29-2002, 02:52 AM

I believe it is stated somewhere in one of the books (specifics-ah well! :/) that Smeagol was at least of a hobbit-like race, if not a "real" hobbit

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 01-29-2002, 02:56 AM

It's in the 'Shadow of the Past.' Gandalf didn't mention webbed feet, but said Smeagol was likely related to the particular race of Hobbits, the Stoors (mentioned in 'About Hobbits' in the Prologue). But you have good company: Frodo was also horrified!

-Maril

Hama · 01-29-2002, 07:41 AM

Don't forget, Gollum had been wearing the ring and hiding in the depths of the Misty Mountains for centuriesss my precious. His physical form had been twisted by this: the ring does that sort of thing. With the Nine, it sucked their physical form until they became the wraiths. For a Hobbit, the process is slower, due to their seeming resistance.

Mayla Took · 01-29-2002, 11:18 PM

Wow! Thanks guys! That helps my understanding greatly! Great informataion. Thanks again!

Manwe · 02-04-2002, 05:42 AM

I've been thinking a bit over Hobbits customs they give away things on thier birthdays, however Smeagol says that the ring is his birthday-present. That means that it's a rathernew cutom, not more than 300 yeaers or how old smeagol is.

Jjudvven · 02-04-2002, 03:36 PM

HE was more like 1000 years old I thought...

Rhudladion · 02-04-2002, 04:39 PM

Manwe, I'm not so sure that means the custom is new. How do you know that this doesn't speak to the ring's evil nature. What I mean is...maybe the custom was intact, and the fact that Gollum claims the ring as his present shows us how the ring attempts to destroy things (customs) and the like; or how selfish it tries to make the bearer, so as to rebel against the lifestyle of his/her people.

Just a thought...

01-29-2002, 12:05 AM	#1
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	What was Smeagol/Gollum anyway....... Many people have told me that Smeagol was (before he got the Ring) a Hobbit!!! I dissagree. To me that just doesn't sound correct. Doesn't Gandalf in the FOTR tell Frodo that they were a web footed race that lived by the river? Am I mistaken? Was Gullom REALLY a Hobbit?!?!!? __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

01-29-2002, 02:52 AM	#2
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	I believe it is stated somewhere in one of the books (specifics-ah well! :/) that Smeagol was at least of a hobbit-like race, if not a "real" hobbit __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

01-29-2002, 02:56 AM	#3
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	It's in the 'Shadow of the Past.' Gandalf didn't mention webbed feet, but said Smeagol was likely related to the particular race of Hobbits, the Stoors (mentioned in 'About Hobbits' in the Prologue). But you have good company: Frodo was also horrified! -Maril __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

01-29-2002, 07:41 AM	#4
Hama Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Olde London Towne Posts: 23	Don't forget, Gollum had been wearing the ring and hiding in the depths of the Misty Mountains for centuriesss my precious. His physical form had been twisted by this: the ring does that sort of thing. With the Nine, it sucked their physical form until they became the wraiths. For a Hobbit, the process is slower, due to their seeming resistance. __________________ Fly you fools

01-29-2002, 11:18 PM	#5
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	Wow! Thanks guys! That helps my understanding greatly! Great informataion. Thanks again! __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

02-04-2002, 05:42 AM	#6
Manwe Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ilmarin, Taniquetil Posts: 98	I've been thinking a bit over Hobbits customs they give away things on thier birthdays, however Smeagol says that the ring is his birthday-present. That means that it's a rathernew cutom, not more than 300 yeaers or how old smeagol is. __________________ by the way my name is Manwë, not Manwe

02-04-2002, 03:36 PM	#7
Jjudvven Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Land to the West Posts: 154	HE was more like 1000 years old I thought... __________________ "I don't know all of you as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve."

02-04-2002, 04:39 PM	#8
Rhudladion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 63	Manwe, I'm not so sure that means the custom is new. How do you know that this doesn't speak to the ring's evil nature. What I mean is...maybe the custom was intact, and the fact that Gollum claims the ring as his present shows us how the ring attempts to destroy things (customs) and the like; or how selfish it tries to make the bearer, so as to rebel against the lifestyle of his/her people. Just a thought...