No More Hobbits? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rosa Underhill · 02-06-2002, 04:36 AM

Well, there certainly are a lot of Hobbits in LotR and, of course, "The Hobbit", but are there any more in any other of Tolkien's books? (I have this nagging doubt that there aren't anymore and I fear I may be right, since hobbits never did do too many exciting things until Bilbo came about and there was that nasty business with a certain Ring...)

Niphredil Baggins · 02-06-2002, 07:42 AM

Ai, no hobbits yet in the silmarillion, if that's what you mean.

Rosa Underhill · 02-06-2002, 12:48 PM

I know there's none in "The Silmarillion", 'cept Frodo and "his servant". They're in the second to the last page of the book. But are there any in any of Tolkien's other books?

dernhelm · 02-06-2002, 02:11 PM

I just finished reading The Book of Lost Tales 1, and there are no hobbits in it.

[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: dernhelm ]

Mayla Took · 02-06-2002, 02:19 PM

Oh how sad!! I was hoping to run into somemore Hobbit storys in The Lost Tales or the Silmarilion. I will keep my eyes open though!

Elrian · 02-06-2002, 07:14 PM

There are in the History of the Lord of the Rings set. or The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, and Sauron Defeated.

littlemanpoet · 02-06-2002, 08:30 PM

Hi Rosa

I've read the stuff mentioned by Elrian and it's really just earlier versions of LOTR. There are no other works about other hobbits. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] If you want to try something also by JRRT that comes pretty darn close, read Farmer Giles of Ham, about an early English farmer who has a run-in with a giant and a dragon. It's really a lot of fun. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Inziladun · 02-06-2002, 11:52 PM

Unfortunately for hobbit fans, most Middle Earth 'history' seems to have been written from the elvish point of view. Hobbits apparently played no part in the great events of the First and Second Ages, which were chronicled by the Elves and later the Edain. The Hobbit and LoTR were told from the hobbit point of view, which is why hobbits are at the forefront of these stories. I wouldn't think the majority of Middle Earth's denizens knew anything about hobbits before Frodo's Quest.

Pips · 02-08-2002, 03:37 PM

I think there's some say of them in Christopher Tolkien's books, since he carried on the stories of Middle Earth

Rosa Underhill · 02-08-2002, 10:33 PM

He did? How...? Wha...? Am confused now...

I know Christopher Tolkien compiled "The Silmarillion" and other works by his father and had them published but...are you saying he's written some original-ish Middle-earth works of his own? (I'd be very happy to hear that he was!)

I read on this board somewhere a quote from I don't know what of Gandalf's. He was talking about Bilbo, Frodo and the Ring and it wasn't anything from LotR. Anyone know where he might have been having a conversation like that? It struck me that he must be in Valinor or Eressea or someplace like when he said it...

Elendur · 02-08-2002, 11:27 PM

Gandalf talks about Bilbo in Unfinished Tales. Its in the Quest for Erebor chapter.

Elrian · 02-09-2002, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Rosa Underhill:
<STRONG>He did? How...? Wha...? Am confused now...

I know Christopher Tolkien compiled "The Silmarillion" and other works by his father and had them published but...are you saying he's written some original-ish Middle-earth works of his own? (I'd be very happy to hear that he was!)

I read on this board somewhere a quote from I don't know what of Gandalf's. He was talking about Bilbo, Frodo and the Ring and it wasn't anything from LotR. Anyone know where he might have been having a conversation like that? It struck me that he must be in Valinor or Eressea or someplace like when he said it...</STRONG>

Christopher Tolkien compiled all the variations of book chapter, characters and such of his father's into the Histories of Middle Earth. He didn't attempt to do his own writing, to my knowledge. The History of the Lord of the Rings books in that series is the many variations of chapters that JRR wrote while doing LOTR, and the different Hobbit characters he'd switched to come up with the final chapters. Striders character was originally a Hobbit, after a few name changes (Peregrin being one of them) the character became that of a man.

Could it have been from Mithadan's fanfic? Tales from Tol Eressea, or Conversations in Avallone that you read that quote in Rosa?

Rose Cotton · 02-09-2002, 02:42 PM

Well I guess it make sence for hobbits to be left out since they were left out of everything else.(all the stories and lists in LotR)

Rosa Underhill · 02-09-2002, 11:43 PM

No, it wasn't in any fanfic. (I don't read those very often, quite honestly.) But Elendur just said it was from "Unfinished Tales." I'm going to have to get that book now... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] And I've been reading "Farmer Giles of Ham", too. Very funny stuff; I like the talking dog. "What's wrong with you?" "Nothing..." [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Elven-Maiden · 02-10-2002, 01:12 PM

Bilbo and Frodo are mentioned in The Unfinished Tales

02-06-2002, 04:36 AM	#1
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	No More Hobbits? Well, there certainly are a lot of Hobbits in LotR and, of course, "The Hobbit", but are there any more in any other of Tolkien's books? (I have this nagging doubt that there aren't anymore and I fear I may be right, since hobbits never did do too many exciting things until Bilbo came about and there was that nasty business with a certain Ring...) __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-06-2002, 07:42 AM	#2
Niphredil Baggins Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 118	Ai, no hobbits yet in the silmarillion, if that's what you mean. __________________ Wistful, willful, wingless, fly!

02-06-2002, 12:48 PM	#3
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	I know there's none in "The Silmarillion", 'cept Frodo and "his servant". They're in the second to the last page of the book. But are there any in any of Tolkien's other books? __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-06-2002, 02:11 PM	#4
dernhelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 30	I just finished reading The Book of Lost Tales 1, and there are no hobbits in it. [ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: dernhelm ] __________________ Now Lords and Ladies blithe and bold, To bless you here now am I bound: I thank you all a thousand-fold, And pray God save you whole and sound. ~ Sir Gawain's Leave-Taking ~

02-06-2002, 02:19 PM	#5
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	Oh how sad!! I was hoping to run into somemore Hobbit storys in The Lost Tales or the Silmarilion. I will keep my eyes open though! __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

02-06-2002, 07:14 PM	#6
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	There are in the History of the Lord of the Rings set. or The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, and Sauron Defeated. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

02-06-2002, 08:30 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Hi Rosa I've read the stuff mentioned by Elrian and it's really just earlier versions of LOTR. There are no other works about other hobbits. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] If you want to try something also by JRRT that comes pretty darn close, read Farmer Giles of Ham, about an early English farmer who has a run-in with a giant and a dragon. It's really a lot of fun. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

02-06-2002, 11:52 PM	#8
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,035	Unfortunately for hobbit fans, most Middle Earth 'history' seems to have been written from the elvish point of view. Hobbits apparently played no part in the great events of the First and Second Ages, which were chronicled by the Elves and later the Edain. The Hobbit and LoTR were told from the hobbit point of view, which is why hobbits are at the forefront of these stories. I wouldn't think the majority of Middle Earth's denizens knew anything about hobbits before Frodo's Quest. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

02-08-2002, 03:37 PM	#9
Pips Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brandyhall, Texas Posts: 67	I think there's some say of them in Christopher Tolkien's books, since he carried on the stories of Middle Earth

02-08-2002, 10:33 PM	#10
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	He did? How...? Wha...? Am confused now... I know Christopher Tolkien compiled "The Silmarillion" and other works by his father and had them published but...are you saying he's written some original-ish Middle-earth works of his own? (I'd be very happy to hear that he was!) I read on this board somewhere a quote from I don't know what of Gandalf's. He was talking about Bilbo, Frodo and the Ring and it wasn't anything from LotR. Anyone know where he might have been having a conversation like that? It struck me that he must be in Valinor or Eressea or someplace like when he said it... __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-08-2002, 11:27 PM	#11
Elendur Wight Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Arnor Posts: 200	Gandalf talks about Bilbo in Unfinished Tales. Its in the Quest for Erebor chapter. __________________ Son of Isildur.

02-09-2002, 02:42 PM	#13
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Well I guess it make sence for hobbits to be left out since they were left out of everything else.(all the stories and lists in LotR) __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

02-09-2002, 11:43 PM	#14
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	No, it wasn't in any fanfic. (I don't read those very often, quite honestly.) But Elendur just said it was from "Unfinished Tales." I'm going to have to get that book now... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] And I've been reading "Farmer Giles of Ham", too. Very funny stuff; I like the talking dog. "What's wrong with you?" "Nothing..." [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

02-10-2002, 01:12 PM	#15
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Bilbo and Frodo are mentioned in The Unfinished Tales __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile