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Since it’s so quiet I’ll add this thought.
On Day 1 I voted Huin out of knee jerk reaction after changing my mind. On Day two I was going to vote Lottie then voted Sally. On day three and four I voted ridiculously early once for a wolf once for an innocent. Does that sound like a wolf or an Ordo with no idea what he’s doing?
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Sorry, I've been ridiculously busy with work again (we have a new intern who started today, and by "we" I mean that I'm in charge of her so no ww:ing during work today!)
Anyway, now here on/off until hopefully about 2h before DL. (Hopefully = hopefully for my physical and mental health I can manage to go to sleep at a semi sensible hour. ![]() YesterDay's voting looks absolutely insane by the way, and I'm also baffled to see Boro gone instead of Soriman. And we have a bonus surprise known innocent, too? Like I said before, this game has been absolutely bat excrement, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down towards the end! Quote:
By the way I find it incredibly funny I was choosing between Legate, Boro and Pitch yesterDay, and I managed to vote for the only wolf on an about as wrong reasoning as you can get (that he looked the most likely to be in cahoots with either Pitch or Boro... who have now been proven innocent. ![]() ![]() That being said ++MORSUL Because honestly, if either Soriman or Pitch is a wolf, I'm gonna take it up with the Dead once the game is over. Now I'm off to check yesterDay's last posts, I'm pretty sure I had something to reply to there.
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And you know what's funny? That I DIDN'T want to vote for any of Hui/Legate/Boro (I believe I said so several times). I thought there was something weird there (well, we now know it was Legate *side eye*) but I didn't have the time to analyse it, nor the brains when the DL started approaching and it was late here. I was just making a mental note to look at it the next Day. I would have preferred to vote you or Kath (oops... ![]() Lottie I did not suspect and Sally I was uncertain of since she hadn't posted much anything and I didn't think the Form kill pointed at her very strongly (and I kinda still don't think that even though I know she was a wolf... I would really like to know after the game if it was a dab at seer elimination or some kind of a no trace kill gone wrong). I thought lynching Sally would be not be the worst option but not the best either, as I thought her chances of being a wolf were not significantly higher than anybody else's and I didn't think it would shed light on others. Meanwhile the Huin/Legate/Boro trio was suspicious and lynching one of them WOULD shed light on the other two (spoiler alert: but it didn't, in hindsight) so I had the brainwave to go for Huin whom I found the most suspicious out of the three. I'll freely admit it was a past-midnight pre-deadline whim, and well, we now know it didn't exactly end in glory. So yeah, I thought Huin was both more (based on behaviour) and less (based on Form's death) suspicious than Sally, so what tipped the scales was the idea that his death would be more informative than hers if he turned out to be an ordo (vs if she turned out to be an ordo). Quote:
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Anyway I don't really follow this logic: if I was a wolf, wouldn't I have cared about my packmate not getting lynched either? When it was so close to wolf victory? To be honest, I'm rather amazed yesterDay went as well as it did, because I was expecting a disaster. I didn't cherish the situation I was in - giving the wolves something to bandwagon on if I was wrong - but I couldn't stay up until the deadline either. I had started the Day full of determination to find the truth of the wolves' identities by analysing Kath, Sally, and the Boro/Legate/Hui thing, and I had failed to find anything conclusive. Everything was like "looks innocent but could be a bold wolf" or "looks wolvish but could be a confused innocent". I thought whatever I did would be quite likely to be wrong and doom the village (yes, maybe I thought it was about me more than it actually was), so I was feeling pretty helpless when I voted, being almost certain both the wolves would still be there until the deadline and the outcome would be up to them. I didn't think the village had much of a chance. Obviously I'm glad I was wrong, but given that my logic for arriving at Legate (that he was the likeliest to be co-wolves with my other suspects, Pitch and Boro) was based on a terrible foundation, I think it was a rather good three way coin toss, if you will! What else can I say? I know the real decision toDay is up to Pitch and Soriman, not me or Morsul. At least that's two known innocents. I don't really have any options but to trust you guys. That could be a depressing thought, but this game has been a ride and it feels like it's gone on for an aeon, so to be entirely honest, I'm quite happy to push the final responsibility on your shoulders. No pressure. ;-) But I just want to say that personally, I think the idea of me bussing my fellow Legate yesterDay is absolutely insane. I could also remind you guys that my vote for Sally was the one to seal her fate without a doubt. If I said I never make bold moves as a wolf I'd be lying, but I am nowhere near that ruthless.
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OK, I'm here.
On the Night kill: I don't think the wolf was just being sporting by sparing a known innocent, but perhaps they thought Soriman had dropped out, or was liable to modfire for his second non-vote, or might simply miss the vote again. In any case I don't think it's unfair to say that Boro would have been a more formidable opponent toDay, so eliminating him instead makes sense. Also his death points rather obviously to Lommy whom he suspected and voted yesterDay. But there my difficulties start, for how much sense exactly would it make for Lommy to kill Boro? She speculated a lot about Boro and Legate being packmates yesterDay. Wouldn't it have been better for her to kill, if not Soriman, then either Morsul or me and persuade the remainder to help her lynch Boro? Especially after Boro criticised her vote for Legate who then turned out to be a wolf? And speaking of that, I know from experience that Legate has no objections to being bussed if it helps the pack to win, but would Lommy as a wolf really have felt that such a sacrifice was necessary when the pack had already lost sally? I mean, the latter I get - if sally was busy and unwell I can even see her volunteering for it. But why ditch your last packmate on the eve of endgame? Were there no other options? Soriman, are you around? Any thoughts?
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But I don't see any reason to doubt Lottie indicating Pitch was dreamt innocent by our seer. (Boro, are you proud of me for understanding a ghost message? ![]() I still don't know why the dead are so certain that Soriman is innocent. They must have concluded it based on the tidbits of information they got from the Moddesses. But as I don't know what those tidbits are, I cannot follow their logic, ergo I cannot be 100% sure. But if a whole dead thread full of innocents (until recently) agreed on the conclusion, I'm inclined to trust them. So I'm like 95% sure Soriman is innocent. (But yes, I would have a few choice words for the dead in the unlikely event of him being a wolf. But I've decided that's out of my hands now.) So, the last wolf has to be you. It's nothing personal.
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Lottie, I understand the second thing you're saying, but why the poem? Are you just asking where Pitch and Soriman are? (In which case... which one is the horse and which one is the rider?
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Ok so the dead are convinced Soriman is innocent beyond doubt?
I'm sorry but without an actual explanation that's only 95% certain for me. But that doesn't make a difference. I have already voted for Morsul (who, therefore, is 95% likely a wolf), and Morsul has voted for me. Even if Pitch somehow had the brainwave to vote for Soriman (which he has not indicated), Soriman would likely not join his vote, so there's no way Soriman will get lynched toDay. So we don't need to worry about it. I don't know why I'm even writing this post... probably because it is quiet and I have already voted and said what I have to say. Lottie, you got any other thoughts to share? Or quotes just for fun? (<- but not anything that might confuse us, please!) edit: xed with Lottie and Pitch!
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So many words to obfuscate and confuse. I’ve given my thoughts unless a direct question is asked I have nothing to add Lommy is the wolf and writing essays to confuse and discombobulate.
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Many appologies for missing deadline, I missed it by 5 mins caught up doing other things.
I'll be voting today, probably quite early, I never suspected Morsul before but after reading the ghost I think he looks pretty bad. Gonna take another look though.
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Why do you think the ghost messages make Morsul look guilty rather than Lommy?
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Yeah after not suspecting Morsul for the whole game, reading missed ghost posts I'm fairly certain my vote is going for Lommy.
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Do you want to vote first Pitch?
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Even if it’s me vote your thoughts.
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On the other hand, Morsul could have killed Boro to frame Lommy and hoped I'd help him lynch her. I suspected her yesterDay and said that I was ready to vote her before I had to vote Legate to save myself, so that might have seemed a viable strategy.
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I second that. And I'm not confident enough about either to vote just yet.
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Have I given you reason to suspect me either? YesterDay, the wolves would have won if an innocent had been lynched. I voted for Legate, who was a wolf. Morsul voted for Pitchwife, who is innocent. I am not a wolf. What ghost posts are you thinking of? Loslote has clearly said she has no opinion and the dead have no info about me and Morsul. If you have some other reason to suspect me, please tell me, and I can give you an answer, and you can decide what you think based on that. Don't vote me on a whim. (Ok, as a generic werewolf advice: don't vote anyone on a whim, ever. It usually doesn't end well.) edit: xed with everyone
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I’ll just toss out as a meta Thought. Lommy is “95%” sure Sorimon is innocent I take the dead’s word that he’s definitely innocent. But it would be Hilarious if that 5% was correct.
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OK, I think I just pieced something together.
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Dor-lómin = the plague that killed Lalaith, borne on a cursed wind from Angband Morsul = Black Wind The wind wails, the wolf howls = Black Wind is a wolf?
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I’m not a wolf but if I killed based on that interpretation I’d be completely ok with that because that’s badass.
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Mind you, if I was Kath's last dream then the Dead don't know this for sure. If I read correctly that's what they believe, as with me yesterDay, and with two wolves on the Dead Thread this has to be taken with caution.
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My only counter of it is “the wind wails” is separate from “the wolf howls” but still I’m ok losing based on that interpretation
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Is it?
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I’m about to go back from lunch break you all have fun.
Just to reiterate Lommy is the wolf I’m not Sorimon vote however makes sense to you Pitch’s interpretation of the Fhost’s post is incorrect but cool so I’m ok getting killed for it but it’ll lose the village the game. Edit: meta note thanks for keeping my mind off how much I hate selling credit cards lol.
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I'm also off for (late, I know) dinner. At the moment, I have very little to add to what I've said before.
I'm happy to answer any questions that arise. If you vote while I'm gone please please think it through. I don't know about Pitch's ghost interpretation. Like, I get "the wind wails, the wolf howls" could be about Morsul ("dark wind") being a wolf, but otherwise not sure it adds up. I still think Lottie saying "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both yes and no" and "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise" mean that she/ the dead don't have an opinion she's comfortable stating. (Which btw I still think is not very helpful, because it's literally a matter of life and death toDay.)
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Lommy, frankly I did not suspect you very much throughout the game aside from how often and how much you post. Morsul was suspected even less throughout and I'm not buying Pitch's interpretation of the ghost.
This doesn't prove anything, you voted early for Legate as insurance for today if you wolves couldn't convince the mob to lynch an innocent.
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So the ghost doesn't know for certain but believes Morsul is innocent?(assuming they cross posted with Lommy)
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I'm being trolled by a ghost help!
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