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Old 01-15-2020, 01:06 PM   #1
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Pipe The Silmarillion in the Vernacular

I have accidentally committed myself to retelling the Silmarillion in the vernacular to my children, aged 7 and 9.

This began because I foolishly attempted to explain why feeling guilty means you need to stop doing something rather than getting angry and continuing, by using the phrase 'let me tell you a story'. I then racked my brains for a suitable story... and, as he often does, Feanor leapt to mind.

It's been... an experience. I never knew I could chop so much out of the Silm and still convey the essential story. I'm telling it entirely off the cuff, chopping it into 15 minute chunks, and trying to work in enough hooks to get them to ask for more (which is working!), so it's... well:

Part 1 was the story of Feanor, from making the Silmarils to his death; 'Feanor' and 'Melkor' were the only two names I used, and I didn't actually mention the Trees dying. I ended by summing up the fate of Maedhros and Maglor (not named), and attributing it all to their dad not dealing well with guilt. ^_^

Part 2 was inspired by the question 'Who was king after Feanor died?'. So we backtracked to the Trees dying, then did Fingolfin and the Grinding Ice, and then struggled through Maedhros' captivity and Fingon's rescue. Again, those were all the names I worked in. This was the one where my son said 'A lot of these names start with F, don't they?' Yep, kid, they do that.

Part 3 began with me asking 'If you were trying to protect your city from Melkor, how would you do it?', and they answered beautifully. First we had 'a Melkor-proof shield', so I explained Doriath (no name, though I did have to name Melian). Then 'hide it', so we did Nargothrond and Gondolin, and a little bit of Finrod propoganda (he got a name; Turgon didn't, and neither city did). Then 'train my soldiers to fight really well', so we did Himring and Mithrim. Finally I fed them 'just live a long way away', allowing me to introduce Cirdan and the Havens. I threw in the Dagor Aglareb and Glaurung's little outing, to provide a bit of upcoming threat, and then pointed out that we'd mentioned Elves and Dwarves (and Goblins - yes, I know - and Gods - I know), but we hadn't yet talked about humans... but that they were, literally, on their way.

("Well, not literally," I get from the back of the car. "Literally in the story, maybe.")

So next time I get to do The Coming of Men, which should lead us nicely to the Bragollach, and then into Beren and Luthien. What I'm going to do about Turin when he shows up, I have no idea - but I will have to, because I've already introduced the idea that all these cities are going to fall in the end.

Has anyone else ever had to/wound up doing something like this? And/or, any suggestions for how I should proceed?

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Old 01-15-2020, 06:55 PM   #2
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With my son and daughter (the son is 7 years older), I started with The Hobbit at about age 5, and then the Lord of the Rings at about 7-8. I never even considered reading The Silmarillion to them, to be honest.
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:14 PM   #3
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Your story just made my day! That is so adorable.

A simplified and slightly altered Turin story can be an excellent way of explaining why feeling guilty should make you stop and not just get angry and continue. You don't even need to mention the rest of his family, the story works even if he's the only one there.
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:38 PM   #4
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Not personally but it reminds me of what Dorothy L Sayers said about dramatising the Bible for the radio in the early forties with potential child audience that she couldnít be too explicit about Mary Magdalene but just had to give the impression she lived a fast lif3 and probably drank to many cocktails!
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:05 AM   #5
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That is one of the best opening posts I have ever read, Huinesoron. And I can well remember the wilful days of childhood, feeling a bad feeling but getting angry and continuing instead of being sorry.

How enlightened (I mean it - I was pretty gobsmacked by this!) to respond that they would defend their city beautifully! And what flawless logic in all the subsequent methods suggested.

You really should write these stories/retellings up. It reminds me of what Rosemary Sutcliff did for 'Beowulf,' but sounds a lot more exciting - and I think the 'moral' messages would be more complex, too - although I guess in the 'reduction' they might possibly end up a little too close to allegory.

Whether or no, what a great thing to do. Lucky kids and lucky father, I say.

Uton herian Huinesoronings!
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Old 03-07-2020, 11:08 PM   #6
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I am curious, Huey - did you ever get to finish the story?
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Old 03-08-2020, 02:35 AM   #7
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I am curious, Huey - did you ever get to finish the story?
Oh, we're still going! The cry of 'can we do Elves?' rings out virtually every drive home from school. I decided that the Great Tales needed to be told in full, so we're deep in Beren and Luthien right now. They're actually able to remember what's going on from telling to telling, which is a huge plus, and my daughter wants to turn it into a play. (Technically she wants me to turn it into a play...) Right now Beren's run off to get himself killed, which... I guess doesn't narrow it down much! We just had the big reveal that Huan can talk, and they were both very concerned over the prophecies about him.

It's fun. It's lots of fun, and I hope it stays fun when I have to do Turin. (We need to do Tuurin, because we have to destroy Nargothrond and Doriath.)

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You won't believe how happy it makes me to imagine you storytelling The Sil to little Huinesoronings. Turin will work out. It's sad, but it's ambiguous. And your kids seem like a really mature pair who can handle the good vs bad ambiguity.
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And what of Gondolin? Will you tell them 'bout that one naughty Elf?
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You won't believe how happy it makes me to imagine you storytelling The Sil to little Huinesoronings. Turin will work out. It's sad, but it's ambiguous. And your kids seem like a really mature pair who can handle the good vs bad ambiguity.
I agree that they'll love it. I'm not sure /I/ can cope with that much Turinning.

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And what of Gondolin? Will you tell them 'bout that one naughty Elf?
Of course! Every story needs a villain!



I'm still deciding whether to cover Maeglin's back story at all. It's an entire story completely out of sequence. Maybe if I merge it with Hurin and Huor's visit somehow? But on the other hand, maybe Aredhel needs some screen time...

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I agree that they'll love it. I'm not sure /I/ can cope with that much Turinning.
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I'm still deciding whether to cover Maeglin's back story at all. It's an entire story completely out of sequence. Maybe if I merge it with Hurin and Huor's visit somehow? But on the other hand, maybe Aredhel needs some screen time...
You could do a "let me tell you a bit about Gondolin" backstory. It doesn't even matter when you tell it, cause it's disentangled from the other Silm stories. Aredhel just does her thing sometime before H&H arrive.
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