WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Cannon Fodder Ordo's don't have to make sense.

Yes, they do.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Shasta is also trying to get Eonwe killed....

Has he voted for him and I just didn't notice?

[Isabellkya]

No they don't. Nothing has to make sense, people just have become accustomed to things that make sense, and so prefer it. Nothing has to have order either.
So when things that "don't make sense" to you appear, you immediately make a judgement call and try to fit it into preconceived notions and ideals.

Hehehe.
You wish my I had issues with my "story".
There are no issues and you know it.


X'd with Gwath.

[Isabellkya]

I believe the vote tally stands at...

Eonwe -> Shasta
Nerwen -> Eonwe
Shasta -> Eonwe 2
Izzy -> Shasta 2

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

No they don't. Nothing has to make sense, people just have become accustomed to things that make sense, and so prefer it. Nothing has to have order either.
So when things that "don't make sense" to you appear, you immediately make a judgement call and try to fit it into preconceived notions and ideals.

Hehehe.
You wish my I had issues with my "story".
There are no issues and you know it.

What?

[Nerwen]

Gwath, what I think is happening is that Cobbler-Izzy believes Eonwe is a wolf and is trying to get me so rattled that I switch my vote to her.

She appears to have given up on actually making a case against me– in fact, she's now, it seems, admitted she doesn't have one.

[Isabellkya]

Like I've said before - don't try putting words into my mouth. Don't twist my words either Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Like I've said before - don't try putting words into my mouth. Don't twist my words either Nerwen.

Well, what are you saying, then?

[Isabellkya]

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/______ is not a Cobbler. Not a Mutineer. Not a Gifted.
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Edit. Well then silly spacing doesn't stay spaced.

[Gwathagor]

Just about bed-time for Gwathy, but here's what's going on in my head.

I thought for a while that Izzy might be a cobbler trying to attract votes away from Shasta and Eonwe, but I see now that she voted for Shasta, so that doesn't make sense. I suppose she could conceivably be a mutineer, but she's been going after Nerwen pretty aggressively - so if Izzy's a mutineer, than I'd bet that she's got another mutineer working with her (at the very least she would have to be cooperating with a cobbler), since a lone mutineer would likely play conservatively. Or a lone mutineer Izzy would anyway, I'd guess.

I really think Nerwen is probably innocent, which is what makes me wonder about Izzy.

Shasta and Eonwe are enigmas for me. I can't remember them doing anything noteworthy - which I guess does concern me a bit, as there's always at least one wolf who plays it quiet. Shasta has done that on at least one occasion. I honestly can't remember what Eonwe's like as a wolf.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

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/______ is not a Cobbler. Not a Mutineer. Not a Gifted.
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Edit. Well then silly spacing doesn't stay spaced.

ARRRRGH! Yes, I know you're claiming to be innocent! You've said that about fifty times.

The important part is that you keep saying I'm guilty and that Greenie must be lying... but you won't explain how that can be.

And now you "don't have to make sense" at all. How very convenient.

[Brinniel]

I hope an extra hour is enough...deadline is in fifteen minutes (1am EST). I can't stay awake any longer than that.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, Eonwe, I'm narrowing it down to you. There's no way Izzy's a lone wolf, not the way she's playing. She's either a cobbler or a wolf with a pal. She's attacking Nerwen and she's voted for Shasta, which leaves you.

++Eonwe

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I thought for a while that Izzy might be a cobbler trying to attract votes away from Shasta and Eonwe, but I see now that she voted for Shasta, so that doesn't make sense. I suppose she could conceivably be a mutineer, but she's been going after Nerwen pretty aggressively - so if Izzy's a mutineer, than I'd bet that she's got another mutineer working with her (at the very least she would have to be cooperating with a cobbler), since a lone mutineer would likely play conservatively.

I said this before: if there's two mutineers, Izzy's probably one of them. Otherwise they'd know there was a cobbler (Izzy) around and they could come out in the open.

EDIT:X'd with Gwath.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I said this before: if there's two mutineers, Izzy's probably one of them. Otherwise they'd know there was a cobbler (Izzy) around and they could come out in the open.

RIght. And I agree.

[Isabellkya]

Congratulations I think are in order for the Mutineers & Cobblers, I'm guessing?

If so, too bad I wasn't either one.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Congratulations I think are in order for the Mutineers & Cobblers, I'm guessing?

If so, too bad I wasn't either one.

If you are innocent you've played like a lunatic and have no business gloating.

[Isabellkya]

*shrug*

Wasn't gloating. Merely congratulating them if they won.

Izzy can be a bored Cannon Fodder Ordo ya know.
Weird behavior doesn't HAVE to mean Cobblerism.

[Nerwen]

Oh, and congratulations on making me waste much time arguing with you.

EDIT: X'd with Izzy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Izzy can be a bored Cannon Fodder Ordo ya know.
Weird behavior doesn't HAVE to mean Cobblerism.

If you acted as you did just out of boredom, you were still playing for the evil side– even if not officially.

[Brinniel]

Deadline. Eonwe will be lynched.

The game isn't over quite yet; there is still one more Day to go.

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The Living:

-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker


The Ghosted:

-Black Death Brinn ~ Captain ~ shish kabobed (mod)
-Slippery McCabbie Dagger ~ Boatswain ~ danced the hempen jig
-Lil' Green the Staggering Drunk ~ Powder Monkey ~ drank up all the rum
-Dancin' Mira Blythe ~ Striker ~ danced her way off the deck
-Whinin’ Eomer Bonny ~ Musician (Pur-loined Violin) ~ his pur-loined violin pur-loined him
-High-Pitched Annu ~ Surgeon ~ halved by her own saw
-Stutterin’ Wilwa Scab ~ Cook ~ gave her heart to Davy Jones
-Legless Sally Dawkins ~ Carpenter ~ was shark bait for a day
-Puffy Shirt Rikae ~ Cabin Boy ~ was never fond of pointy objects
-Pirate Nogrod the Fashionably Late ~ Gunner ~ had an unfriendly encounter with cold steel
-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe) ~ death by seagull
-Gangrenous Inziladun Jones ~ Pilot ~ was a little too attached to the wheel
-Pirate Lommy the Infected ~ Quartermaster ~ mobbed by her own mob
-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner ~ cannon fodder
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook
-Stinkin' Eön Bloodbeard ~ Powder Monkey

Night 9 has begun. Choices, please.

[Brinniel]

A mutineer has overthrown yer first mate. Poor Shark Tooth Shasta be now Shark Bait Shasta.

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The Living:

-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker


The Ghosted:

-Black Death Brinn ~ Captain ~ shish kabobed (mod)
-Slippery McCabbie Dagger ~ Boatswain ~ danced the hempen jig
-Lil' Green the Staggering Drunk ~ Powder Monkey ~ drank up all the rum
-Dancin' Mira Blythe ~ Striker ~ danced her way off the deck
-Whinin’ Eomer Bonny ~ Musician (Pur-loined Violin) ~ his pur-loined violin pur-loined him
-High-Pitched Annu ~ Surgeon ~ halved by her own saw
-Stutterin’ Wilwa Scab ~ Cook ~ gave her heart to Davy Jones
-Legless Sally Dawkins ~ Carpenter ~ was shark bait for a day
-Puffy Shirt Rikae ~ Cabin Boy ~ was never fond of pointy objects
-Pirate Nogrod the Fashionably Late ~ Gunner ~ had an unfriendly encounter with cold steel
-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe) ~ death by seagull
-Gangrenous Inziladun Jones ~ Pilot ~ was a little too attached to the wheel
-Pirate Lommy the Infected ~ Quartermaster ~ mobbed by her own mob
-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner ~ cannon fodder
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook
-Stinkin' Eön Bloodbeard ~ Powder Monkey
-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate


It's your final Day, so make the most out of it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Would you like me to wait until you get back to say "I told you so", Lom-mutineer?

Horrible, horrible people. I had such a plan set up for today, too.

[Isabellkya]

Exactly what are you admitting to, Shark Bait?

Hehe. Shark Bait is much more fun to say than Shasta. xD

[Isabellkya]

You shouldn't of killed Shasta.

I really thought he was the Mutineer, and was completely ready to vote for him once Day started, and if I was still alive.

One of "each" left then eh?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Meh. My plan was to come out at the very beginning of the day as the baddie, claim the win, and have the cobbler vote with me against the real baddie.

Would have been the first time an innocent claimed baddie to win. Ah well.

[Isabellkya]

Ahh.

So which one is which?

[Gwathagor]

This is the perennial question.

[Rikae]

Wow, last day.

*eats popcorn*

Oh, by the way, I actually am a mutineer - the special alpha-mutineer with the power to have an extra kill one night - which happens to be the night my companions stabbed me in the back. Curses!

[Isabellkya]

I think "logically" it would be Gwath the mutineer and Nerwen the probable Cobbler; if you believe Greenie's claim.

If you were paranoid, and trying to delve into conspiracy-land Nerwen would be the Mutineer - and both Gwath and I as the innocents.
..

Because obviously the Mutineer(s) wanted to keep the Cobbler(s) around as long as they could, the same for their Mutie pals.

So why waste a kill on Nerwen or myself? Both of us whom were suspected/labeled as Cobblers. Though myself moreso than Nerwen.

If Nerwen were the Mutineer, why kill Shasta over Gwath; since Shasta looked to be a better lynch candidate than Gwath.



One of you can make a theory as to how/why I would be the Mutineer here.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Meh. My plan was to come out at the very beginning of the day as the baddie, claim the win, and have the cobbler vote with me against the real baddie.

Unfortunately there is no point my trying this. Very clever, Wolf.

I wonder if you're Gwath after all? When Eonwe's death didn't end the game, I thought it must be Shasta or Izzy. I mean, if I've been spared because of Izzy's fixation on me, that suggests it's not Izzy.

Not sure, because I don't understand how Izzy thinks, and if she's a wolf she's a lone wolf now...

EDIT:X'd since Izzy at 1227.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Unfortunately there is no point my trying this. Very clever, Wolf.

I wonder if you're Gwath after all? When Eonwe's death didn't end the game, I thought it must be Shasta or Izzy. I mean, if I've been spared because of Izzy's fixation on me, that suggests it's not Izzy.

Not sure, because I don't understand how Izzy thinks, and if she's a wolf she's a lone wolf now...

EDIT:X'd since Izzy at 1227.

Right, cause the mutineers totally would have killed a mutineer. Geez. I PMed my strategy to Brinn earlier today and everything, cause I was so happy to have thought of it, and now I'm dead and disappointed. Excuuuse me.

[Isabellkya]

I'm doubting that there were two Mutineers hanging around yesterDay.

Otherwise.. if Gwath is the Mutie - well he just added his vote on Eonwe, so it didn't really matter. Since Eonwe was already sentenced to death by Shark Bait. I doubt Shark Bait would've unvoted and voted for himself, and I don't think you wouldn't done so either Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Right, cause the mutineers totally would have killed a mutineer. Geez.

Huh? I'm not addressing you as "Wolf"!

Is that what you thought?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Huh? I'm not addressing you as "Wolf"!

Is that what you thought?

...Yes.

*blush*

[Nogrod]

Okay, I just don't get it.

Any reasonable lone-mutineer would try to have as "lynchable" fellows around her/him on the last Day. But what did s/he do? Killed Shasta!

Now we have the two only people in this game a kind of case could be made they are not mutineers eg. Nerwen (via dream) and Gwath (via mutineers attacking hunter-Rikae suspecting ang voting for him).

If you Izzy actually are the last mutineer... *shakes head and rolls eyes*


So what other possibilities there are?

Greenie was a co-conspie and made the swindle of the year choosing Nerwen - and getting it right from what, four out of twenty possibilities eg. 1/5! Thus Nerwen is the mutineer. That would explain why she continues to live - but as I said already yesterDay: the dynamics of this game sure are different and there probably isn't the same urge here to get rid of "known innocents".

The mutineers went for Rikae who was a self-confessed hunter. And even if she suspected Gwath heavily & even voted for him, still with mutineer-Gwath in the pack they decided to go for her? Okay. This I find even less believable than Greenie's possible hoax. It's suicidal for the mutineers to attack a hunter suspecting heavily one of their own. I just don't buy it. Although it's interesting why they attacked Rikae in the first place? One would think the mutineers would let the hunter stay as there are risks in killing her.

Blah... It must be Izzy. But why did she play her cards this way were she a mutineer? Beats me...


Interesting scheme Shasta! I would have loved to see it unfold!

Buit it would have been pretty complicated indeed and have different result-options depending on fex. whether there are two inncents or one innocent and one co-conspie alongside the last mutineer.

Heh, just thinking about one option (with one cobbler still in the game):

Player X: "HAhaa, I'm the mutineer, now you co-op, vote with me for Player Y!"
Player Y: "Wait a minute! I'm the mutineer. Let's vote that lousy trickster-goodie X off!"
Player Z (Cobbler): Hmph...

[Isabellkya]

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?


Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The mutineers went for Rikae who was a self-confessed hunter. And even if she suspected Gwath heavily & even voted for him, still with mutineer-Gwath in the pack they decided to go for her? Okay. This I find even less believable than Greenie's possible hoax. It's suicidal for the mutineers to attack a hunter suspecting heavily one of their own. I just don't buy it. Although it's interesting why they attacked Rikae in the first place? One would think the mutineers would let the hunter stay as there are risks in killing her.

I can only make the same suggestion I did then: maybe there were still four wolves then, and they thought it worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Blah... It must be Izzy. But why did she play her cards this way were she a mutineer? Beats me...

*shrugs* Maybe so much of her fake-cobbler act was built around attacking me that she didn't know what to do without me. Or maybe she thinks she's made a far more convincing case against me than she actually has.

I agree it certainly ought to be Izzy... I'm just trying to work out whether that's too easy.

There is one thing in Izzy's favour, and that's her reaction to Rikae's death and yours. It looks evil, but it also looks like the response of someone who was not expecting to find Rikae dead, i.e. not a wolf. However, if she's a wolf she's been working very hard at cobbler-impersonation.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Nerwen]

post deleted because I accidentally quoted my last post instead of editing it.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nice try Nog.

Then how do you explain Gwath not being eaten by modkilling.. for not voting three days(?) in a row?

Well– I'd hope Brinniel wouldn't allow a Gwathwolf to win that way.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Nerwen, why were you wanting to wait yesterDay for Gwath to vote?

Did you think his vote would make a difference and matter, or just didn't want him to be modkilled?

Both– the former because I got confused about the voting rules, and thought Shasta was doomed without another vote on Eonwe.