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Dark Shadow · 02-18-2003, 10:27 AM

That Aragorn is related very distantly to Boromir, Faramir, Denethor etc. ?

- Sorry if this has come up before, but I'm curious and it appears to me (from what I have read in the appendices) that they are related.

Meela · 02-18-2003, 11:11 AM

really good question [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] this is one topic that i do a lot of research on, and so far i have found that aragorn is marrying back into his own family: arwen is his 41st cousin. hes also related to eomer/eowyn, if u count back from his father to his great-grandfather x 49, who also has the rohirrim as his decendants.

but as for the stewards... id say most likely yes, but i havent yet figured out how

hopefully someone else has the answer? id like to know to [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

engwaalphiel · 02-18-2003, 11:33 AM

I don't have the answer but your research sounds very interesting. I Would presume that Aragorn is distantly related but you never know .

Merri · 02-18-2003, 01:11 PM

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You are absolutely correct in thinking, Dark Shadow. It would be a pity if you didn't!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

Manwe Sulimo · 02-18-2003, 01:17 PM

Actally, Meela, it would be more like 73 (25 generations of Númenórean kings + 49 of Dúnedain chieftans).

I don't believe that they are related anymore than you and I are. Just because they're Númenórean doesn't mean they're related. They could be members of different Houses of Men entirely.

Merri · 02-18-2003, 01:21 PM

All joshing aside, I think that Aragorn is more than distantly related to Boromir and Faramir. I don't remember exactly how, though. I'll have to look that up now.

Eruwen · 02-18-2003, 07:03 PM

Whoa, Aragorn is Arwen's 41st cousin? I knew they were cousins, but I didn't know it was that far apart. Could it be possible that people today marry their 41st cousins without them knowing it?

TealDude3 · 02-18-2003, 07:09 PM

Well, if you live in a small mountain town where nealy everybody is related, yeah. I use to live in West Virginia, so I would know.

Sorry, off topic. I think it is likely that they are related, but not that closely.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-18-2003, 07:56 PM

I think they aren't closely-enough related to be related. I think scientists actually went back and pinpointed that everyone comes from one female who lived millions of years ago, so if you're being extreme, we're all related. The same is the case here: if you're being extreme they probably are somewhere along the line. Did that make any sense at all?

On an off-note: I live in a small town where everyone's related practically. But I haven't seen anyone in this town marry someone they met in this town. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

propagandalf · 02-18-2003, 08:18 PM

Sorry, i don't know if Aragorn is related to Boromir. I have a related question. Hope you don't mind.

I am reading TTT again and in it, Legolas mentioned something about Aragorn being in the same lineage as Luthien. Isn't Arwen a descendant of Luthien also?

Vardamar · 02-18-2003, 08:21 PM

pff. 41th cousins. Thats nothing my parents are 9th cousins, and I'm only slightly inbred [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ February 18, 2003: Message edited by: Vardamar ]

Lobelia · 02-18-2003, 09:07 PM

Yes, Arwen is descended from Luthien and so is Aragorn. Elrond is Aragorn's many-times-great-uncle because his brother Elros was the first king of Numenor and Aragorn's ancestor (check this in the Appendices). Elros and Elrond's Mum was Elwing, who was the grand-daughter of Beren and Luthien. So Luthien was Arwen's great-great grandmother.
Anyone ever noticed how inbred they get in Middle-earth? : - )

Dark Shadow · 02-19-2003, 05:31 AM

Ok, I just found my RotK book, and I've been looking at my list of Numenorean Kings. They are both descendednts of Elendil (?) and so that would make them very distantly related. But loooking at how many names there are (over a page on the side of the stewards) it probably isn't thought of a being related. But had Aragorn been killed... would Faramir have become king? I mean Aragorn is the heir of Isildur, who was son of Elendil, and Faramir is a descendant of Elendil...

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-19-2003, 07:19 AM

Where does it state that Denethor or his sons were desendants of Elendil? Their line has been passed on form Mardil, and they were said to be of a high Numenorean house.

[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-19-2003, 08:06 AM

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But had Aragorn been killed... would Faramir have become king?

Presumably there would have been a closer relative, with greater right to claim the Kingship, amongst the Dunedain of the North.

Nimrodel · 02-19-2003, 02:58 PM

As for the marrying of cousins; Teddy and Elanor Roosevelt were 4th cousins, so 41st cousins is NO PROBLEM.

Legolas · 02-19-2003, 03:10 PM

Galadriel and Celeborn were second cousins, even. Not a big deal for elves, though.

Meela · 02-19-2003, 03:12 PM

they were?? *hugs like mad* thank you!! and if anyone else has info like that, please pass it on!! ty! *hugs some more*

02-18-2003, 10:27 AM	#1
Dark Shadow Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Someplace in Middle Earth Posts: 130	Am I correct in thinking That Aragorn is related very distantly to Boromir, Faramir, Denethor etc. ? - Sorry if this has come up before, but I'm curious and it appears to me (from what I have read in the appendices) that they are related.

02-18-2003, 11:11 AM	#2
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,118	really good question [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] this is one topic that i do a lot of research on, and so far i have found that aragorn is marrying back into his own family: arwen is his 41st cousin. hes also related to eomer/eowyn, if u count back from his father to his great-grandfather x 49, who also has the rohirrim as his decendants. but as for the stewards... id say most likely yes, but i havent yet figured out how hopefully someone else has the answer? id like to know to [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-18-2003, 11:33 AM	#3
engwaalphiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The edge of nowhere Posts: 89	I don't have the answer but your research sounds very interesting. I Would presume that Aragorn is distantly related but you never know . __________________ Estel............. Some have it more than others. "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë!

02-18-2003, 01:11 PM	#4
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 225	Warning, this message contains nothing useful within it You are absolutely correct in thinking, Dark Shadow. It would be a pity if you didn't! (Sorry, I couldn't resist [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

02-18-2003, 01:17 PM	#5
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Actally, Meela, it would be more like 73 (25 generations of Númenórean kings + 49 of Dúnedain chieftans). I don't believe that they are related anymore than you and I are. Just because they're Númenórean doesn't mean they're related. They could be members of different Houses of Men entirely. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

02-18-2003, 01:21 PM	#6
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 225	All joshing aside, I think that Aragorn is more than distantly related to Boromir and Faramir. I don't remember exactly how, though. I'll have to look that up now. __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

02-18-2003, 07:03 PM	#7
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Whoa, Aragorn is Arwen's 41st cousin? I knew they were cousins, but I didn't know it was that far apart. Could it be possible that people today marry their 41st cousins without them knowing it?

02-18-2003, 07:09 PM	#8
TealDude3 Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Bebop Posts: 138	Well, if you live in a small mountain town where nealy everybody is related, yeah. I use to live in West Virginia, so I would know. Sorry, off topic. I think it is likely that they are related, but not that closely. __________________ I'm so hungry, I could eat at Arby's.

02-18-2003, 07:56 PM	#9
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	I think they aren't closely-enough related to be related. I think scientists actually went back and pinpointed that everyone comes from one female who lived millions of years ago, so if you're being extreme, we're all related. The same is the case here: if you're being extreme they probably are somewhere along the line. Did that make any sense at all? On an off-note: I live in a small town where everyone's related practically. But I haven't seen anyone in this town marry someone they met in this town. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-18-2003, 08:18 PM	#10
propagandalf Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Grey Havens Posts: 29	Sorry, i don't know if Aragorn is related to Boromir. I have a related question. Hope you don't mind. I am reading TTT again and in it, Legolas mentioned something about Aragorn being in the same lineage as Luthien. Isn't Arwen a descendant of Luthien also? __________________ if you don't ask me out to dinner i don't eat. -radiohead

02-18-2003, 08:21 PM	#11
Vardamar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Right over Here!! No Here!! Yoohoo! Posts: 97	pff. 41th cousins. Thats nothing my parents are 9th cousins, and I'm only slightly inbred [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ February 18, 2003: Message edited by: Vardamar ] __________________ Strength without wisdom falls by its own weight.

02-18-2003, 09:07 PM	#12
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	Yes, Arwen is descended from Luthien and so is Aragorn. Elrond is Aragorn's many-times-great-uncle because his brother Elros was the first king of Numenor and Aragorn's ancestor (check this in the Appendices). Elros and Elrond's Mum was Elwing, who was the grand-daughter of Beren and Luthien. So Luthien was Arwen's great-great grandmother. Anyone ever noticed how inbred they get in Middle-earth? : - )

02-19-2003, 05:31 AM	#13
Dark Shadow Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Someplace in Middle Earth Posts: 130	Ok, I just found my RotK book, and I've been looking at my list of Numenorean Kings. They are both descendednts of Elendil (?) and so that would make them very distantly related. But loooking at how many names there are (over a page on the side of the stewards) it probably isn't thought of a being related. But had Aragorn been killed... would Faramir have become king? I mean Aragorn is the heir of Isildur, who was son of Elendil, and Faramir is a descendant of Elendil...

02-19-2003, 07:19 AM	#14
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Where does it state that Denethor or his sons were desendants of Elendil? Their line has been passed on form Mardil, and they were said to be of a high Numenorean house. [ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-19-2003, 02:58 PM	#16
Nimrodel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Golden Wood Posts: 51	As for the marrying of cousins; Teddy and Elanor Roosevelt were 4th cousins, so 41st cousins is NO PROBLEM. __________________ Beside the falls of Nimrodel,By water clear and cool, Her voice as falling silver fell Into the shining pool

02-19-2003, 03:10 PM	#17
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	Galadriel and Celeborn were second cousins, even. Not a big deal for elves, though. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

02-19-2003, 03:12 PM	#18
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,118	they were?? hugs like mad thank you!! and if anyone else has info like that, please pass it on!! ty! hugs some more __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.