Mishaped squid? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Manwe · 12-06-2001, 05:27 AM

As you might have geussed I'm talking about the guardian of the gate (probably not proper translation), the many-armed creatur outside Moria. Does anyone knows what it is?

inglorion · 12-07-2001, 10:48 AM

Hello Manwe,
The Watcher in the water is what is generally referred to as a kraken, a giant aquatious creature. Mostly they are found in sea´s and oceans. However this one is in the artificial lake before the Westgate. How did it get there? If I remember rightly Gandalf mentioned to Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in Fangorn something about nameless things gnawing the earth under the deepest Deeps of the dwarves, when telling them about his fight with the Balrog. Also it is said that they plunged into water at the bottom of the abyss. That would be favourable for the kraken-hypothesis. The damming of the Gate-stream caused the lake to form and probably made it possible for the creature to leave its underground environment.
Who dammed the river? I do not know, but one might speculate the Balrog who knew the ancient underways (Too well he knew them -Gandalf) may also have known about the existence of other creatures under Moria. Maybe he made the orcs/trolls make the lake so as to provide a guardian on the west-border of his realm. Of course this is pure speculation....

Greetings, gildor

Aldaron · 12-08-2001, 12:47 AM

If not a kraken or a giant squid, then certainly some fresh-water equivalent. I seem to remember the suggestion of tentacles reaching. And I agree that it was likely placed there to guard the gates of Moria. With evil intent,you may be sure.

12-06-2001, 05:27 AM	#1
Manwe Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ilmarin, Taniquetil Posts: 98	Mishaped squid? As you might have geussed I'm talking about the guardian of the gate (probably not proper translation), the many-armed creatur outside Moria. Does anyone knows what it is? __________________ by the way my name is Manwë, not Manwe

12-07-2001, 10:48 AM	#2
inglorion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hollandia Posts: 55	Hello Manwe, The Watcher in the water is what is generally referred to as a kraken, a giant aquatious creature. Mostly they are found in sea´s and oceans. However this one is in the artificial lake before the Westgate. How did it get there? If I remember rightly Gandalf mentioned to Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in Fangorn something about nameless things gnawing the earth under the deepest Deeps of the dwarves, when telling them about his fight with the Balrog. Also it is said that they plunged into water at the bottom of the abyss. That would be favourable for the kraken-hypothesis. The damming of the Gate-stream caused the lake to form and probably made it possible for the creature to leave its underground environment. Who dammed the river? I do not know, but one might speculate the Balrog who knew the ancient underways (Too well he knew them -Gandalf) may also have known about the existence of other creatures under Moria. Maybe he made the orcs/trolls make the lake so as to provide a guardian on the west-border of his realm. Of course this is pure speculation.... Greetings, gildor __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards for they are subtle and quick to anger.

12-08-2001, 12:47 AM	#3
Aldaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 86	If not a kraken or a giant squid, then certainly some fresh-water equivalent. I seem to remember the suggestion of tentacles reaching. And I agree that it was likely placed there to guard the gates of Moria. With evil intent,you may be sure.