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Tarlondeion Of Gondolin · 02-22-2002, 02:02 PM

What happened to the other fathers of the Dwarves?

Kuruharan · 02-22-2002, 05:24 PM

It's not said. They or their decendents founded great citadels in different parts of Middle earth, but other than that...
There's a very interesting essay called 'Of Dwarves and Men' that you might want to look at for some information on the Dwarves. There was also a very interesting essay analysing 'Of Dwarves and Men' somewhere on the Net, but I'll probably never be able to find for you.

Elven-Maiden · 02-23-2002, 11:50 AM

Dwarves do die, right? I mean- of old age, like men and Hobbits. Good topic!
Sorry to change the subject, but are their any other races in ME, besides Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves, Men, Beornings, orcs, giant spiders, goblins and dragons?

Birdland · 02-23-2002, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Elven-Maiden:
<STRONG>Sorry to change the subject, but are their any other races in ME, besides Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves, Men, Beornings, orcs, giant spiders, goblins and dragons?</STRONG>

Well, there's Ents, and The Wose. Then there's Tom Bombadil, who's in a class by himself.

Since the Eagles spoke the Common Speech, would they be considered a "Race", outside of the other animals?

Then there's Goldberry, "river-woman's daughter". Now what the heck is she? A sprite?

Tarlondeion Of Gondolin · 02-23-2002, 03:41 PM

What are The Wose and does anyone know who Goldberry is. My theory is they are Beren and Luthien in disguise but thats not very likely.

Raefindel · 02-23-2002, 04:34 PM

The Woes are the wild hillmen who guided the Riders of Rohan throught the hills to Gondor. I don't really know what Goldberry is, but she sounds like a Nymph or a Niad to me.

Glim Iceholder · 02-23-2002, 04:36 PM

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Dwarves do die, right? I mean- of old age, like men and Hobbits. Good topic!

Yes they do, but with a lifespan of around 250 years they live considerably longer than Men or Hobbits. It is unknown exactly what happens to them when the die.

Kuruharan · 02-23-2002, 05:44 PM

The way that it is phrased; "the Elves of Middle earth say," as if the Elves in Valinor knew otherwise, makes me think that the Dwarves did go to the Halls of Mandos.

To me at least, it seems to be a prerequisite for Iluvatar to give the Dwarves independant life is to give them a soul. Tolkien says that the soul can't be destroyed and something has to happen to it when it leaves the body; so it only makes sense they went to Mandos. The Dwarves said that after The End they would aid Aule in rebuilding the world.

Glim Iceholder · 02-23-2002, 07:29 PM

Yes, I agree with you, that type of end seems more fitting than simply "returning to the stone from which they were made".

Orald · 02-24-2002, 01:57 AM

In reply to the question on the wose.

They are decendents of men that where known as Druedain with little or no breeding with other type of men through the ages. Druedain where in Beleriand with the Folk of Haleth during the First Age and they were admitted to Numenor. The Druedain that dwelt in Numenor soon left, and non were there at the time of the Downfall. There probably was a sizable amount of Druedain that did not go to Numenor however.

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-24-2002, 05:48 AM

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My theory is they are Beren and Luthien in disguise but thats not very likely.

They couldn't be Beren and Luthien. Beren was a mortal Man, and Luthien gave up her immortality when they returned.

02-22-2002, 02:02 PM	#1
Tarlondeion Of Gondolin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gondolin the fair Posts: 94	Dwarves What happened to the other fathers of the Dwarves?

02-22-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	It's not said. They or their decendents founded great citadels in different parts of Middle earth, but other than that... There's a very interesting essay called 'Of Dwarves and Men' that you might want to look at for some information on the Dwarves. There was also a very interesting essay analysing 'Of Dwarves and Men' somewhere on the Net, but I'll probably never be able to find for you. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

02-23-2002, 11:50 AM	#3
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Dwarves do die, right? I mean- of old age, like men and Hobbits. Good topic! Sorry to change the subject, but are their any other races in ME, besides Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves, Men, Beornings, orcs, giant spiders, goblins and dragons? __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

02-23-2002, 04:34 PM	#6
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,323	The Woes are the wild hillmen who guided the Riders of Rohan throught the hills to Gondor. I don't really know what Goldberry is, but she sounds like a Nymph or a Niad to me. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

02-23-2002, 05:44 PM	#8
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	The way that it is phrased; "the Elves of Middle earth say," as if the Elves in Valinor knew otherwise, makes me think that the Dwarves did go to the Halls of Mandos. To me at least, it seems to be a prerequisite for Iluvatar to give the Dwarves independant life is to give them a soul. Tolkien says that the soul can't be destroyed and something has to happen to it when it leaves the body; so it only makes sense they went to Mandos. The Dwarves said that after The End they would aid Aule in rebuilding the world. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

02-23-2002, 03:41 PM	#5
Tarlondeion Of Gondolin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Gondolin the fair Posts: 94	What are The Wose and does anyone know who Goldberry is. My theory is they are Beren and Luthien in disguise but thats not very likely.

02-23-2002, 07:29 PM	#9
Glim Iceholder Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 24	Yes, I agree with you, that type of end seems more fitting than simply "returning to the stone from which they were made".

02-24-2002, 01:57 AM	#10
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	In reply to the question on the wose. They are decendents of men that where known as Druedain with little or no breeding with other type of men through the ages. Druedain where in Beleriand with the Folk of Haleth during the First Age and they were admitted to Numenor. The Druedain that dwelt in Numenor soon left, and non were there at the time of the Downfall. There probably was a sizable amount of Druedain that did not go to Numenor however.