Riddles in the Downs - Page 95 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Huinesoron · 04-21-2021, 02:55 PM

Which javelin?

No life, but a breath
As cold as death
Ever craving, never drinking
Clad in darkness, evil thinking

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2021, 03:03 PM

Eol's

Your riddle reminds me of Gollum's riddle.

Maybe the Black Death that killed me along with all the other children who succumbed?

Huinesoron · 04-21-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Your riddle reminds me of Gollum's riddle.

You noticed.

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Maybe the Black Death that killed me along with all the other children who succumbed?

Nope.

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2021, 03:55 PM

The Nazgul? They crave the Ring, wear black cloaks, and are cold, as Frodo and Eowyn can attest.

Huinesoron · 04-21-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

The Nazgul? They crave the Ring, wear black cloaks, and are cold, as Frodo and Eowyn can attest.

And have the Black Breath, hence "a breath / as cold as death". Yep.

hS

Urwen · 04-21-2021, 04:14 PM

How about another Legate-styled riddle?

You won't survive my attack in the night
Unless you have the will to fight
I kill the weak and the wee
As you clearly do see
Your loved ones are lost
For they paid the cost

Galadriel55 · 04-21-2021, 04:34 PM

Not the Black Death for real this time?

Urwen · 04-21-2021, 04:38 PM

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Not the Black Death for real this time?

Maybeee...

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 07:55 AM

Try this one. Bonus points for exact references.

To black without light
Comes crescent bright.
It brings the shadow of a friend
And shade of fear from distant land.

Wake up from carefree reverie
To grim and false reality!
Inside the wood, by its long boughs
Don't listen to the ghastly sounds.

The quiet broken by a splash,
A stream that gives way to a pool.
Yet evil is this water cool -
It does not matter. Naught shall pass.

The wood is dead. It ceased to grow.
Its waters can no longer flow.
Just one is happy and serene,
Alone amid a frightful scene.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 09:47 AM

Some parts seem like Turin's awakening at Ivrin, others say 'Old Man Willow'...

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 10:22 AM

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Some parts seem like Turin's awakening at Ivrin, others say 'Old Man Willow'...

I'll let you think on it a bit more and maybe come up with some concrete guesses before I start pointing you to the right direction.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 11:15 AM

Well, I thought for a while, and while not everything seems to fit, I am making the Old Forest my first guess

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, I thought for a while, and while not everything seems to fit, I am making the Old Forest my first guess

The Old Forest is incorrect, but I think you may be interpreting some of the lines correctly.

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Try this one. Bonus points for exact references.

To black without light
Comes crescent bright.
It brings the shadow of a friend
And shade of fear from distant land.

Wake up from carefree reverie
To grim and false reality!
Inside the wood, by its long boughs
Don't listen to the ghastly sounds.

The quiet broken by a splash,
A stream that gives way to a pool.
Yet evil is this water cool -
It does not matter. Naught shall pass.

The wood is dead. It ceased to grow.
Its waters can no longer flow.
Just one is happy and serene,
Alone amid a frightful scene.

Mirkwood?

The first paragraph could be the darkness pierced by the elven banquets.

Bombour waking up?

The poisonous sleep river?

Not sure about the wood being dead but Bilbo’s calm and peaceful moment about the trees.

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 12:29 PM

Not Mirkwood, 'mfraid.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 12:33 PM

Moria?

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 12:38 PM

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Moria?

Oh damn that fits near perfect.

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 12:42 PM

Still no. Old Forest was closest, but all of your answers are of the wrong type.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 12:55 PM

Change of approach, then.

Watcher in the Water?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 12:57 PM

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Watcher in the Water?

Not him. I am assuming that for both him and for Moria you thought the water is the Sirannon? Wrong water.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 01:04 PM

Oh, wait, I think I figured it out, and I can explain most of the lines too

Okay, it's one of these two, so first: Eithel Ivrin?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 01:13 PM

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Okay, it's one of these two, so first: Eithel Ivrin?

No, wrong water and wrong type of answer.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 01:25 PM

Iron Mountains?

Or maybe, by wrong type, you mean that the answer is not a place, but a person/object?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 02:16 PM

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Iron Mountains?

Not Iron Mountains.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Or maybe, by wrong type, you mean that the answer is not a place, but a person/object?

I never said it's a person/object, just as I said that your previous answers were of the wrong type.

I also said that your Old Forest guess was the closest so far, because I think you've interpreted some of the lines correctly. How you got from there to Ivrin and Iron Mountains is beyond me.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 02:21 PM

Okay, I'll bite.

Huorns?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 02:32 PM

Nope.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 02:33 PM

Fangorn Forest?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 02:35 PM

Nope. Are you gonna blindly go through a list of associations?

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 02:39 PM

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Nope. Are you gonna blindly go through a list of associations?

Well, I have no other option, so yea...

The Fellowship?

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Try this one. Bonus points for exact references.

To black without light
Comes crescent bright.
It brings the shadow of a friend
And shade of fear from distant land.

Wake up from carefree reverie
To grim and false reality!
Inside the wood, by its long boughs
Don't listen to the ghastly sounds.

The quiet broken by a splash,
A stream that gives way to a pool.
Yet evil is this water cool -
It does not matter. Naught shall pass.

The wood is dead. It ceased to grow.
Its waters can no longer flow.
Just one is happy and serene,
Alone amid a frightful scene.

The barrowdowns.

Taken into the darkness then the have dreams Frodo wakes up Frodo wakes up to the grim reality. The rest is probably part of the scene haven’t read it in a bit I remember rings and treasure and stuff and whispers I think?. And then the only one serene would be Bombadil.

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, I have no other option, so yea...

Well, if you see it that way.

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The Fellowship?

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

The barrowdowns.

Taken into the darkness then the have dreams Frodo wakes up Frodo wakes up to the grim reality. The rest is probably part of the scene haven’t read it in a bit I remember rings and treasure and stuff and whispers I think?. And then the only one serene would be Bombadil.

Not the Barrow Downs, but you have one important element right in there. This is a different event, but I think you're picking up on the right lines. This of what made you decide on Frodo in the Barrow Downs, and use that to look for other events that could fit in.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 03:28 PM

Maybe the awakening in the Old Forest?

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 03:44 PM

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Maybe the awakening in the Old Forest?

Not sure what you mean by that, but it's not the answer regardless. If you elaborate though I might be able to tell you if you're interpreting the lines correctly.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 03:46 PM

Well, the tree put the Hobbits to sleep, and Tom awakened them

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, the tree put the Hobbits to sleep, and Tom awakened them

So, like Morsul, you're picking up on sleeping/waking. That's good, on the right track.

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 04:04 PM

The Dead Marshes although this is a far more poetic interpretation

The pale lights of the marsh. Frodo in a dream state wakened by Sam shadow of a friend. Hmm. The winged Nazgul. Naught shall pass could be the dead still lingering there not passing on. Dead is obvious nothing grows. Serene again a stretch Gollum not complaining about the smell. “Sméagol Bears it.”

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

The Dead Marshes although this is a far more poetic interpretation

You're drifting farther again. In some ways, you actually want to go more literal.

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 04:13 PM

The line I keep getting drawn to is ghastly noises. Bombadil telling them to not need any nightly noises. But I’ll keep thinking.

Urwen · 04-26-2021, 04:13 PM

So someone awoke someone else from a pleasant dream?

Morsul the Dark · 04-26-2021, 04:16 PM

If this is too broad a question obviously don’t answer is the answer in LoTR or a different Tolkien work? I will not get it if it’s not LoTR

04-21-2021, 02:55 PM	#3761
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,783	Which javelin? No life, but a breath As cold as death Ever craving, never drinking Clad in darkness, evil thinking hS __________________ Have you burned the ships that could bear you back again? ~Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-21-2021, 03:03 PM	#3762
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Eol's Your riddle reminds me of Gollum's riddle. Maybe the Black Death that killed me along with all the other children who succumbed? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-21-2021, 03:55 PM	#3764
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	The Nazgul? They crave the Ring, wear black cloaks, and are cold, as Frodo and Eowyn can attest. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-21-2021, 04:14 PM	#3766
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	How about another Legate-styled riddle? You won't survive my attack in the night Unless you have the will to fight I kill the weak and the wee As you clearly do see Your loved ones are lost For they paid the cost __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-21-2021, 04:34 PM	#3767
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Not the Black Death for real this time? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 07:55 AM	#3769
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Try this one. Bonus points for exact references. To black without light Comes crescent bright. It brings the shadow of a friend And shade of fear from distant land. Wake up from carefree reverie To grim and false reality! Inside the wood, by its long boughs Don't listen to the ghastly sounds. The quiet broken by a splash, A stream that gives way to a pool. Yet evil is this water cool - It does not matter. Naught shall pass. The wood is dead. It ceased to grow. Its waters can no longer flow. Just one is happy and serene, Alone amid a frightful scene. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 09:47 AM	#3770
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Some parts seem like Turin's awakening at Ivrin, others say 'Old Man Willow'... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 11:15 AM	#3772
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Well, I thought for a while, and while not everything seems to fit, I am making the Old Forest my first guess __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 12:29 PM	#3775
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Not Mirkwood, 'mfraid. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 12:33 PM	#3776
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Moria? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 12:42 PM	#3778
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Still no. Old Forest was closest, but all of your answers are of the wrong type. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 12:55 PM	#3779
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Change of approach, then. Watcher in the Water? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 01:04 PM	#3781
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Oh, wait, I think I figured it out, and I can explain most of the lines too Okay, it's one of these two, so first: Eithel Ivrin? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 01:25 PM	#3783
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Iron Mountains? Or maybe, by wrong type, you mean that the answer is not a place, but a person/object? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 02:21 PM	#3785
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Okay, I'll bite. Huorns? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 02:32 PM	#3786
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Nope. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 02:33 PM	#3787
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Fangorn Forest? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 02:35 PM	#3788
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,310	Nope. Are you gonna blindly go through a list of associations? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2021, 03:28 PM	#3792
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Maybe the awakening in the Old Forest? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 03:46 PM	#3794
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	Well, the tree put the Hobbits to sleep, and Tom awakened them __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 04:04 PM	#3796
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,502	The Dead Marshes although this is a far more poetic interpretation The pale lights of the marsh. Frodo in a dream state wakened by Sam shadow of a friend. Hmm. The winged Nazgul. Naught shall pass could be the dead still lingering there not passing on. Dead is obvious nothing grows. Serene again a stretch Gollum not complaining about the smell. “Sméagol Bears it.” __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

04-26-2021, 04:13 PM	#3798
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,502	The line I keep getting drawn to is ghastly noises. Bombadil telling them to not need any nightly noises. But I’ll keep thinking. __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

04-26-2021, 04:13 PM	#3799
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,376	So someone awoke someone else from a pleasant dream? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2021, 04:16 PM	#3800
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,502	If this is too broad a question obviously don’t answer is the answer in LoTR or a different Tolkien work? I will not get it if it’s not LoTR __________________ Morsul the Resurrected