Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Although the best would be if I could still see a couple of votes from the Living before it, so that we can be sure we are not causing some trouble with that (e.g. a vote tie...)

True. But looking at how late it got to wait for Lommy's vote the last Day - and her kind of "early voter" now off the list of the living - I'd hate to stand by in alert if something then happened - when the import of our vote probably isn't that big.

I'm not going to sleep exactly now, but as it is 1.30am already, I'm not going to stay awake for a long time either.

So giving my vote to Mith then unless something dramatic happens.

[Thinlómien]

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you.

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you?

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of Boro, but I'm not sure that would be very informative, and we might rather want to check one of the unknowns if Boro can't kill anymore?

As for Mith and McCaber, I'm still undecided...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it?

Originally Posted by me#1409

But I'm afraid we can't deduce that and it would be even pretty hard to guess - so maybe we then just ignore him toDay unless there is more knowledge?

Originally Posted by Lommy

And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible.

Originally Posted by Legate

I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?)

Originally Posted by Lommy

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of Boro

I'm afraid she's only allowed to dream of the dead now...

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you?

I don't think so... because even if they lynch a wolf toDay, and we find out via scry toNight, we won't be able to alert them until the end of the next Day, which would be too late.

We'd sort of need the wolf to actually live through the lynch, and then s/he and Boro to take each other out. Assuming Boro still has kills.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you.

Bah! I have been very useful, you'd see how usefull I would have been had I been alive, or even as Dead, had somebody not posted a list for the Dead too late and then changed it into a completely useless one in the last minute!

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it.

Well he (probably) killed a bunch of Wolves, that much I'd certainly give him... But we'll see. Obviously if something doesn't add up and there are like known innocents and him alive, obviously he should be lynched... But even a blind person would see that, for sure...

I suppose we could always ask Nerwen to dream of Boro, but I'm not sure that would be very informative, and we might rather want to check one of the unknowns if Boro can't kill anymore?

Can she dream about the Living even now?

As for Mith and McCaber, I'm still undecided...

By the way, let's bear in mind that we are empowering now... so if we vote, in this case we vote for lynching the other person than whom we vote for...

[Thinlómien]

Silly me, you guys are right about the see dreams of course...

[the phantom]

I won't be able to read anything until the final hour, so I'll probably just be following whatever you all are doing (so that the Wolves can't mess it up I'll bandwagon).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

I pretty seriously disagree with this plan.

How am I not surprised?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How am I not surprised?

Not that I think there might not have been better plans, but saying a bit more would be better...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Not that I think there might not have been better plans, but saying a bit more would be better...

Maybe... in something like the next two hours there will be some decision as to whether they should discuss some other plan or not...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it's really hard. Now basically, I think I want to vote, so... just really depends for whom. Maybe we should not make anything dramatic out of it and just vote for one person, and then we can vote for someone else the next Day. And hopefully it won't be even necessary.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

And Nilp..Mummie loves you no matter what

I just hope this is not a Wolf's genuine remorse.

[Nogrod]

It seems they are starting to discuss in the Living thread, but my bedtime approaches fast - and I have seen how long these deliberations tend to take.

I tihnk I can see both sides of the issue and neither makes me any more certain x or y is a wolf.

So unless a masterplan comes forwards from somewhere in five minutes, I'm off with one more vote to Mith.

[Thinlómien]

I should go to sleep but urgh this is difficult.

For what it's worth, I don't think Sally's point for McC's innocence is very convincing. He could easily be a wolf who took the chance to get a free pass and explained it away later.

Then again Mith's recent interest in the game is kind of fishy. As if she was increasingly in charge about her team winning the game...

Back in 10min to vote.

Just wondering if I voted to empower McC to leave the decision to the dead Americans () would that open too wide a door for the dead wolves to mess it up?

I'm too tired to count.


edit: xed with the two people who are in the same room atm irl

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

What on earth is Sally thinking? Shaking my head over here...

Kind of nice to know someone level-minded is thinking Sally is wrong - but then again Mith isn't actually making herself look innocent, rather the contrary.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Then again Mith's recent interest in the game is kind of fishy. As if she was increasingly in charge about her team winning the game...

Well, to be honest, with the last post, I also started to see her last concerns as possible concerns of a normal innocent who is close to end of the game as well, and does not want McCaber to be accidentally cleared when he might be a Wolf. Just think of yourselves in that situation.

I will probably empower her and be done with it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Mac and Lottie are members of the Grip Pack. It appears Form was the third member, though he hasn't officially admitted this yet.

Is this our best bet this far? So morm and Lalaith might wish to help the last wolf. How about the other pack?

Would you guys help us flush your competition so that they don't get the bragging rights over you?

I mean if we left the voting a bit more close and you guys made sure morm & Lalaith can't save their mate if there is close call?

[Nerwen]

Quick note here: Nilp was given the scrying results and has passed them on. We're not votimg to convey information.

[Firefoot]

I'm actually more siding with Sally... why wouldn't McCaber have killed her if he knew she was the lover? If he's the wolf that was a serious tactical error.

[Thinlómien]

Btw is our understanding of the wolf packs based on anything else but Lottie and Mac's confession? If yes why are we taking their word for it?

(Please if the answer is "yes", just ignore me. You don't need to waste your time explaining. I can find it out later.)

[Thinlómien]

Not killing Sally looks like a tactical error for any wolf...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Quick note here: Nilp was given the scrying results and has passed them on. We're not votimg to convey information.

Except they're asking it for Rikae - for what that is worth... It was Nilp's plan.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Not killing Sally looks like a tactical error for any wolf...

But did McCaber come to "realise" Sally being a lover before or after?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I'm actually more siding with Sally... why wouldn't McCaber have killed her if he knew she was the lover? If he's the wolf that was a serious tactical error.

Who knows, he could have thought she was protected, or whatever... Or could he? Would he know that she was protected the Night before? (I am leaving this question probably to you to answer, because I am really going to go to sleep now.)

So now just - should I/we vote here now (I think I'd go for empowering Mith after all), or leave it for you folks to decide?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Legate - I'm sure the dead had reason to be disappointed in me the Day before yesterDay, but at least it comforts me I've been more useful than you.

As for all this Boro business. Is there really anything we can do about it? If he wins, I daresay he has deserved it. And I still don't think he's evil, unless Kuru keeps changing rules mid-game to keep it balanced, which is not impossible. Incidentally, Nerwen - why did you say you wouldn't get more PMs and the ranger shouldn't protect you?

Just on the off-chance that it would convince the wolves that I wasn't worth killing, that's all- I was pretty sure I'd already been protected.

[Nogrod]

Oh no... here we're stuck again at this hour of the Day - things start moving when it is totally too late.

Shall we just vote for Mith and convey the info Rikae is innocent? And just trust the living to do the right thing?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Sally

Honestly though, as much as I prefer Mith as a candidate, I would be totally okay with tying them and letting the dead decide, assuming we think we can get away with that.

I so hope they don't end up with this idea...

[Firefoot]

Now they're trying to tie the vote for us...

[Thinlómien]

Just a sec -

There are now two votes in the living thread for McC.

One for Mith.

Sally and Shasta look like they might vote Mith.

If they indeed do, Kath doesn't appear (fairly likely) and we empower Mith, it's going to be a tie. ARR.


edit: xed

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Now they're trying to tie the vote for us...

That's not a bad thing in the end, we'll then just see if we were right or wrong. The bad thing would be if they make one person lead by 1 vote, and then we empower somebody so the other person gets lynched. So I just hope they either cast votes overwhelmingly for one person, or make it a perfect tie and we decide.

[Nogrod]

Shall we leave it to the late-ones?

We three here in Finland vote McCaber and you guys carry it from there seeing it is not a tie?

[Thinlómien]

I forgot Nilp. But he might not be around, or whatever.

Did I mention yet that being dead sucks?


edit: xed

[Thinlómien]

Mith just made herself look a tiny bit more innocent by reminding the living of the threat posed by dead American wolves.

Therefore

++Mith

Let's hope this won't end up as a tie. Dead innocent non-Europeans, do your best. <3

Good night!

Fingers crossed the game's over in 1,5h!

[Nogrod]

Okay. It's up avoiding a tie - and since there is a majority of wolves in the late-shift here in the Dead Thread, we'll just do the best we can to make one decision and then let's see how the Living fare with it.

++ Mith


Good night and good luck!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Basically, MOST IMPORTANT THING NOW:

We HAVE TO vote the way that there isn't a tie in the Living thread. Because if there is a tie, there will be no lynch. And that's the only thing we do not want now. Be it Cab or Mith, whatever, the other one can be always lynched toMorrow.

So might just as well vote Mith and be done with it.

++Mithalwen

The one and only danger now - but we can't do anything with it from here - is if Mith is about to be lynched by the margin of one vote, then we empower her vote against Cab, it's a tie. But we really can't do anything about that. It's up to the Living to realise that they either have to vote so that they create a tie on their side (leaving the decision to our empowering vote) or to have their main lynchee lead by two votes, so that our extra vote won't mess it up even if it's for the other person.

Well, good night. Hope tomorrow is good.

[Nerwen]

++Mith

[the phantom]

Sorry so busy today.

Are we all voting Mith?

[Firefoot]

++Mith

[the phantom]

Wish I would've had time today to actually look at the various arguments for why so-and-so looks guilty over others. Ah well...

Has Boro said who he will attempt to kill tonight? That would be nice to know.

++Mith

[Kuruharan]

Votes after this post do not count.

Narration will follow.

[Kuruharan]

The langour continued this DAY...and yet paradoxically, the denizens were very decided about the appropriate action toward the Living.

The mists stirred and a strangely sad seeming Nilpaurion returned to them.

He was closely followed by McCaber.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green (Prey)
Macalaure
Rikae (Prey)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith (Predator)
Nerwen
mormegil
Thinlómien
Formendacil
Nilpaurion Felagund (Lover)
McCaber

The Living:
satansaloser2005
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

OCC - As I'm going to a play tomorrow I am going to have to move the deadline up by...probably kind of a lot, but unhelpfully I'm not sure when yet. I will keep everyone posted.