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anduin angel 44 · 01-04-2003, 11:35 PM

can someone explain dwarves

Legolas · 01-05-2003, 12:13 AM

Short. Few females. Females confused for males when they are actually spotted. Mortal, live longer than men. Bearded. Live in caves. Love jewels and gold, silver, and other precious metals. Don't associate much with elves, or anyone else for that matter. Very greedy.

Iargwath · 01-05-2003, 02:56 AM

I'll give a bit of history and other facts...
The Dwarves claim descent from Seven Fathers who lived in the First Age and as a result, are divided into seven Folk, each with its own King and ancestral halls. (When Sauron forged the Rings of Power, he made one ring for each of those seven Kings.) Dwarves are short, about 4 1/2 to 5 feet tall, but strong and hardy. Their average life-span is about 250 years and if they married it was generally at the age of 100. The Dwarves are great miners and craftsmen of stone, metal, and jewels. They have their own language, 'Khuzdul', but it was secret and never spoken in public. The names by which they are known: 'Khazad' by themselves, 'Naugrim' by the Elves in the First Age, and 'Nogothrim' in the Third Age.

LePetitChoux · 01-05-2003, 07:43 AM

Dwarves

Other Names: Children of Aulë, Gonnhirrim, Khazad, Masters of Stone, Naugrim, Stunted People
'Baruk Khazad! Khazad aimÍnu! Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!'
The battle-cry of the Dwarves The Lord of the Rings Appendix F I: Of Other Races: Dwarves

Unlike Elves and Men, the Dwarves are not Children of Ilúvatar; they were created by Aulë the Smith, though Ilúvatar granted them life. Aulë made seven Fathers of the Dwarves, and these slept through many ages until after the Awakening of the Elves. Almost all the Dwarves that appear Tolkien's works were descended from the eldest of the Seven Fathers, Durin the Deathless.

Like Aulë their maker, the Dwarves delighted in smithcraft and stoneworking; they mined and worked metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth. The Dwarves kept themselves apart from the other races; their language, Khuzdul, was a closely guarded secret, and they told their true names to none but themselves (all the Dwarf-names in Tolkien are in the tongues of Elves or Men, not true Dwarf names).

Origins of the Dwarves

The first Dwarves were made long ages ago by Aulë the Smith. He had dimly perceived the coming Children of Ilúvatar, and desired to make Children of his own to teach his many skills and arts.
Aulë's work was doomed, though, because he did not have the power to grant independent life to his creations - that power belonged to Ilúvatar alone. When the Dwarves were completed, though, the voice of Ilúvatar spoke to Aulë and agreed to grant them true life, and include them in His plan for Arda. Ilúvatar would not allow the Dwarves to awaken, though, until after the Firstborn (the Elves), and so Aulë set them to sleep far apart from one another, deep underground, until the time came for their awakening.

The History of the Dwarves Before the First Age

Ilúvatar promised Aulë that he would awaken the Fathers of the Dwarves 'when the time comes'. We must assume that he did so shortly after the Awakening of the Elves at CuiviÈnen (very approximately between 9,000 and 10,000 years before the beginning of the First Age).
It seems that not long passed after their awakening before Durin the Deathless, eldest of the Fathers, founded Khazad-dûm (later called Moria) in the Misty Mountains. Certainly it was well established as their chief citadel by the time the first Dwarves crossed the Blue Mountains into Beleriand. This event is dated only as 'during the second age of the Captivity of Melkor', which would place it (approximately) between 3,000 and 6,000 years before the beginning of the First Age.
The Dwarves had no settlement in Beleriand itself, but they built two mighty citadels in the Blue Mountains; Gabilgathol to the north and Tumunzahar to the south. These fortress-cities are better known by the Elvish versions of their names; Belegost and Nogrod. The Dwarves also laid the long road that ran westwards out of the Blue Mountains and along the course of the River Ascar, crossing into East Beleriand at Sarn Athrad.

The Dwarves in Beleriand

For the Elves dwelling Beleriand, the first appearance of the Dwarves in the Blue Mountains was a startling revelation - until that time, the Elves had thought themselves the only speaking peoples in the World.
Throughout the long ages, the Elves and Dwarves developed a mutual respect which, if not quite friendship, was far from enmity. After their return to Middle-earth at the beginning of the First Age, the Noldor became closest in friendship with the Dwarves - both peoples revered Aulë, and both had a love of craft and making that made them natural allies.
Of all the Elves of Beleriand, though, it was not a Noldo but a Sindarin Elf who became most trusted and respected by the Dwarves. This was Eôl, the Dark Elf of Nan Elmoth, who travelled often to the dwarf-cities in the Blue Mountains, and who took also his son Maeglin during his youth.

The Nature of the Dwarves

Aulë made the Dwarves at a time when the World outside Aman still lay under the dominion of Melkor, and so he made them sturdy and hard to survive the dangers and hardships of that time.
In nature, the typical Dwarf is stubborn and secretive. Though they make loyal and good friends, they are also a proud and stern race. They do not suffer grievance or insult, and their enmity is long-lasting. They are said, though, to be quick to learn new skills.
Probably the best known aspect of the Dwarvish character, though, is their strong instinctive skills in the working of metal and stone, no doubt derived from Aulë their maker, the Vala whose province these things were. In ancient times, they were said to have preferred working with copper and iron, though in later days they wrought gold and silver, and the mithril they found in the Mines of Khazad-dûm. Of all the materials they worked with, they most revered and praised gemstones.

Dwarvish Mortality

Though they live much longer than Men (usually around 250 years), Dwarves are mortal creatures. What happens after their death, though, is a mystery. The Elves have said that the Dwarves return to the stone from which they were made, but the Dwarves have a different belief. According to Dwarvish tradition, they are gathered by Mahal (their name for Aulë) in a part of the Halls of Mandos set aside for them. After the end of the World and the Last Battle, they say, they will aid Aulë in the rebuilding of Arda.

This article has been acquired from The Encyclopedia of Arda.

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Iargwath · 01-05-2003, 10:03 PM

Wow LePetitChoux, i guess you have given the greatest explanation. Well done [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

thalioniathiel · 01-07-2003, 03:30 AM

a friend asked me why there aren't more dwarves in the movie. she asked if they were all killed in Moria, but I noted that there were a few dwarves at the Council of Elrond. where are all the other dwarves?

Tar-Palantir · 01-07-2003, 11:32 AM

The other dwarves were fighting up in their Northern lands, up near the Dale and Erebor - besides the fact that they were 'thinned out' from fighting in the not too distant past (The Battle of Five Armies & The Battle of Azanulbizar)

Does anyone know if a detalied account is written anywhere of Balin's return to Moria? Thanks.

thalioniathiel · 01-07-2003, 02:42 PM

interesting! thanks for that info!

I didn't know that Balin wasn't dead. where can I find the part that mentions that?

Arwen Imladris · 01-07-2003, 03:26 PM

Tar-Palantir, I don't think that there is anything more detailed then what is LOTR:FOTR.

thalioniathiel: Book or movie? It is found in Moria, just before Pippin throws a rock (or skelliton)down the well. When Gandalf reads the gravestone.

thalioniathiel · 01-07-2003, 06:44 PM

oh, okay. I think I just misunderstood; I thought that when Tar-Palantir asked about Balin's return to Moria, that meant Balin wasn't dead after all, even though his tomb was there. so I guess what Tar-Palantir is asking is about Balin's return to Moria before he was killed there.
I was starting to think the "he's dead! no, he's not dead!" was getting a bit overused. ;-)

01-04-2003, 11:35 PM	#1
anduin angel 44 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: somewhere outside of the lord of the rings world Posts: 17	explain dwarves can someone explain dwarves __________________ i looked at you 1000 times but this time when i looked at you there was something new how could i be so blind

01-05-2003, 12:13 AM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Short. Few females. Females confused for males when they are actually spotted. Mortal, live longer than men. Bearded. Live in caves. Love jewels and gold, silver, and other precious metals. Don't associate much with elves, or anyone else for that matter. Very greedy. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-05-2003, 02:56 AM	#3
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	I'll give a bit of history and other facts... The Dwarves claim descent from Seven Fathers who lived in the First Age and as a result, are divided into seven Folk, each with its own King and ancestral halls. (When Sauron forged the Rings of Power, he made one ring for each of those seven Kings.) Dwarves are short, about 4 1/2 to 5 feet tall, but strong and hardy. Their average life-span is about 250 years and if they married it was generally at the age of 100. The Dwarves are great miners and craftsmen of stone, metal, and jewels. They have their own language, 'Khuzdul', but it was secret and never spoken in public. The names by which they are known: 'Khazad' by themselves, 'Naugrim' by the Elves in the First Age, and 'Nogothrim' in the Third Age. __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-05-2003, 07:43 AM	#4
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Dwarves Other Names: Children of Aulë, Gonnhirrim, Khazad, Masters of Stone, Naugrim, Stunted People 'Baruk Khazad! Khazad aimÍnu! Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!' The battle-cry of the Dwarves The Lord of the Rings Appendix F I: Of Other Races: Dwarves Unlike Elves and Men, the Dwarves are not Children of Ilúvatar; they were created by Aulë the Smith, though Ilúvatar granted them life. Aulë made seven Fathers of the Dwarves, and these slept through many ages until after the Awakening of the Elves. Almost all the Dwarves that appear Tolkien's works were descended from the eldest of the Seven Fathers, Durin the Deathless. Like Aulë their maker, the Dwarves delighted in smithcraft and stoneworking; they mined and worked metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth. The Dwarves kept themselves apart from the other races; their language, Khuzdul, was a closely guarded secret, and they told their true names to none but themselves (all the Dwarf-names in Tolkien are in the tongues of Elves or Men, not true Dwarf names). Origins of the Dwarves The first Dwarves were made long ages ago by Aulë the Smith. He had dimly perceived the coming Children of Ilúvatar, and desired to make Children of his own to teach his many skills and arts. Aulë's work was doomed, though, because he did not have the power to grant independent life to his creations - that power belonged to Ilúvatar alone. When the Dwarves were completed, though, the voice of Ilúvatar spoke to Aulë and agreed to grant them true life, and include them in His plan for Arda. Ilúvatar would not allow the Dwarves to awaken, though, until after the Firstborn (the Elves), and so Aulë set them to sleep far apart from one another, deep underground, until the time came for their awakening. The History of the Dwarves Before the First Age Ilúvatar promised Aulë that he would awaken the Fathers of the Dwarves 'when the time comes'. We must assume that he did so shortly after the Awakening of the Elves at CuiviÈnen (very approximately between 9,000 and 10,000 years before the beginning of the First Age). It seems that not long passed after their awakening before Durin the Deathless, eldest of the Fathers, founded Khazad-dûm (later called Moria) in the Misty Mountains. Certainly it was well established as their chief citadel by the time the first Dwarves crossed the Blue Mountains into Beleriand. This event is dated only as 'during the second age of the Captivity of Melkor', which would place it (approximately) between 3,000 and 6,000 years before the beginning of the First Age. The Dwarves had no settlement in Beleriand itself, but they built two mighty citadels in the Blue Mountains; Gabilgathol to the north and Tumunzahar to the south. These fortress-cities are better known by the Elvish versions of their names; Belegost and Nogrod. The Dwarves also laid the long road that ran westwards out of the Blue Mountains and along the course of the River Ascar, crossing into East Beleriand at Sarn Athrad. The Dwarves in Beleriand For the Elves dwelling Beleriand, the first appearance of the Dwarves in the Blue Mountains was a startling revelation - until that time, the Elves had thought themselves the only speaking peoples in the World. Throughout the long ages, the Elves and Dwarves developed a mutual respect which, if not quite friendship, was far from enmity. After their return to Middle-earth at the beginning of the First Age, the Noldor became closest in friendship with the Dwarves - both peoples revered Aulë, and both had a love of craft and making that made them natural allies. Of all the Elves of Beleriand, though, it was not a Noldo but a Sindarin Elf who became most trusted and respected by the Dwarves. This was Eôl, the Dark Elf of Nan Elmoth, who travelled often to the dwarf-cities in the Blue Mountains, and who took also his son Maeglin during his youth. The Nature of the Dwarves Aulë made the Dwarves at a time when the World outside Aman still lay under the dominion of Melkor, and so he made them sturdy and hard to survive the dangers and hardships of that time. In nature, the typical Dwarf is stubborn and secretive. Though they make loyal and good friends, they are also a proud and stern race. They do not suffer grievance or insult, and their enmity is long-lasting. They are said, though, to be quick to learn new skills. Probably the best known aspect of the Dwarvish character, though, is their strong instinctive skills in the working of metal and stone, no doubt derived from Aulë their maker, the Vala whose province these things were. In ancient times, they were said to have preferred working with copper and iron, though in later days they wrought gold and silver, and the mithril they found in the Mines of Khazad-dûm. Of all the materials they worked with, they most revered and praised gemstones. Dwarvish Mortality Though they live much longer than Men (usually around 250 years), Dwarves are mortal creatures. What happens after their death, though, is a mystery. The Elves have said that the Dwarves return to the stone from which they were made, but the Dwarves have a different belief. According to Dwarvish tradition, they are gathered by Mahal (their name for Aulë) in a part of the Halls of Mandos set aside for them. After the end of the World and the Last Battle, they say, they will aid Aulë in the rebuilding of Arda. This article has been acquired from The Encyclopedia of Arda. You will understand that if you read the very beginning of the Silmarillion. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

01-05-2003, 10:03 PM	#5
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Wow LePetitChoux, i guess you have given the greatest explanation. Well done [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-07-2003, 03:30 AM	#6
thalioniathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 34	a friend asked me why there aren't more dwarves in the movie. she asked if they were all killed in Moria, but I noted that there were a few dwarves at the Council of Elrond. where are all the other dwarves?

01-07-2003, 11:32 AM	#7
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	The other dwarves were fighting up in their Northern lands, up near the Dale and Erebor - besides the fact that they were 'thinned out' from fighting in the not too distant past (The Battle of Five Armies & The Battle of Azanulbizar) Does anyone know if a detalied account is written anywhere of Balin's return to Moria? Thanks. __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

01-07-2003, 02:42 PM	#8
thalioniathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 34	interesting! thanks for that info! I didn't know that Balin wasn't dead. where can I find the part that mentions that?

01-07-2003, 03:26 PM	#9
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Tar-Palantir, I don't think that there is anything more detailed then what is LOTR:FOTR. thalioniathiel: Book or movie? It is found in Moria, just before Pippin throws a rock (or skelliton)down the well. When Gandalf reads the gravestone. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

01-07-2003, 06:44 PM	#10
thalioniathiel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 34	oh, okay. I think I just misunderstood; I thought that when Tar-Palantir asked about Balin's return to Moria, that meant Balin wasn't dead after all, even though his tomb was there. so I guess what Tar-Palantir is asking is about Balin's return to Moria before he was killed there. I was starting to think the "he's dead! no, he's not dead!" was getting a bit overused. ;-)