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Bombadil · 04-24-2004, 08:07 AM

One scene that always catches my attention when seeing ROTK is that of the battle of Gollum and Frodo at Sammath Naur. Now, we all know that in the books this struggle never occurred. (The struggle of course being after Gollum bit off Frodo's finger)

It's just how epic it feels at that moment. The mix of the music, the slow walk of Frodo towards Gollum...and how when they grab each other they look almost the same height. This made me think...Could that battle have represented "Frodo now," fighting with "the future Frodo?" Gollum is a representation of what frodo could become if keeping the ring. Therefore, if "Frodo now" wins and hurls "future Frodo" into the fire, along with the destruction of the ring goes his potential to turn out like Gollum. NOw if "Frodo now" fell in with the ring, could it represent the ultimate destruction the ring has caused him?

These are a little far-fetched, but I thought I'd get them out there. Any other thoughts? Or findings of your own?

Knight of Gondor · 04-24-2004, 08:30 PM

I think that's certainly an excellent way of looking at it. I doubt that Peter Jackson put that in, but we've already seen how dangerous it is to critique Peter Jackson for what themes he did or did not put in.

They spoke in the EE specials of how they had originally thought to put a scene in where Faramir had a slight vision of what Frodo could become, when he came to confront him in the back of their caves...a Gollum-esque Frodo. As well, Frodo saw the Shire in ruins in the Mirror of Galadriel scene. So I suppose they were somewhat conscious of the future that Frodo was striving to destroy -- both for himself, and for Middle-Earth.

The Only Real Estel · 04-24-2004, 08:34 PM

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They spoke in the EE specials of how they had originally thought to put a scene in where Faramir had a slight vision of what Frodo could become, when he came to confront him in the back of their caves...a Gollum-esque Frodo.

They probably made the right choice in cutting that scene, but I still would've liked to have the option to view that particular part of the movie in the EE with the Gollumish-Frodo scene in there.

Arwen Eruantale · 04-25-2004, 05:46 PM

I agree.

It would have been interesting, but might also have been dangerous to Mr. Jackson... There are just too many fans that are (yes, concievably) crazier than I.

Knight of Gondor · 04-26-2004, 08:39 PM

Yes, I'm somewhat glad they didn't implement that scene either. It wouldn't make much sense for Faramir to have that kind of vision.

04-24-2004, 08:07 AM	#1
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Drawing Symbolism from the movies One scene that always catches my attention when seeing ROTK is that of the battle of Gollum and Frodo at Sammath Naur. Now, we all know that in the books this struggle never occurred. (The struggle of course being after Gollum bit off Frodo's finger) It's just how epic it feels at that moment. The mix of the music, the slow walk of Frodo towards Gollum...and how when they grab each other they look almost the same height. This made me think...Could that battle have represented "Frodo now," fighting with "the future Frodo?" Gollum is a representation of what frodo could become if keeping the ring. Therefore, if "Frodo now" wins and hurls "future Frodo" into the fire, along with the destruction of the ring goes his potential to turn out like Gollum. NOw if "Frodo now" fell in with the ring, could it represent the ultimate destruction the ring has caused him? These are a little far-fetched, but I thought I'd get them out there. Any other thoughts? Or findings of your own? __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

04-24-2004, 08:30 PM	#2
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I think that's certainly an excellent way of looking at it. I doubt that Peter Jackson put that in, but we've already seen how dangerous it is to critique Peter Jackson for what themes he did or did not put in. They spoke in the EE specials of how they had originally thought to put a scene in where Faramir had a slight vision of what Frodo could become, when he came to confront him in the back of their caves...a Gollum-esque Frodo. As well, Frodo saw the Shire in ruins in the Mirror of Galadriel scene. So I suppose they were somewhat conscious of the future that Frodo was striving to destroy -- both for himself, and for Middle-Earth. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

04-25-2004, 05:46 PM	#4
Arwen Eruantale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Field of Paper Flowers Posts: 282	I agree. It would have been interesting, but might also have been dangerous to Mr. Jackson... There are just too many fans that are (yes, concievably) crazier than I. __________________ And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile... Will you pay attention?

04-26-2004, 08:39 PM	#5
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Yes, I'm somewhat glad they didn't implement that scene either. It wouldn't make much sense for Faramir to have that kind of vision. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16