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Old 09-20-2020, 07:27 AM   #10201
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Urwen has just left Hobbiton.
Or Longbottom Leaf in particular, because Fingolfin contains the letters LONG, a bottom is something you can squeeze, and a leaf is green.
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Old 09-20-2020, 11:33 AM   #10202
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It's a *kind* of leaves. If you know something of the Valinorean.
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Old 09-20-2020, 11:36 AM   #10203
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CARNIL: Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine. (Red star)
ORALD: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless. (Yellow boots)
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, itís hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsmanís Ė take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
-S: An ocean! - Fingolfinís squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some Ė take the second one!

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).


Urwen, bannocks are baking in Rivendell when Bilbo first arrives there, and I think bannocks can be fried as well as baked.
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:54 PM   #10204
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It's a *kind* of leaves. If you know something of the Valinorean.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:53 PM   #10205
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ORALD: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless. (Yellow boots)
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
ASEA ARANION: An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one! (Green)

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).


And over to Huinesoron, I think?
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:08 AM   #10206
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That was good! I have an inordinate fondness for tightly-constrained themes, so this was a lot of fun.

I think these all hold together, but I wouldn't be overly surprised if I'd gotten a mistake in there somewhere.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
5. - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
7. - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
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11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-21-2020, 05:05 AM   #10207
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7. Irime ('I rhyme';rime is frost)
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:06 AM   #10208
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11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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But a Weasley is a werewolf, or at least part-werewolf...and he in particular has a namesake in LoTR world, therefore I deduce that the answer to 11 is Bill Ferny.
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:39 AM   #10209
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7. Irime ('I rhyme';rime is frost)
Correct. (Irime Lalwen presumably lived in Hithlum with her favourite brother, but it's always possible she was somewhere else. Similarly, her fitting the theme is technically an assumption, though I think a very solid one. The others are more certain.)

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But a Weasley is a werewolf, or at least part-werewolf...and he in particular has a namesake in LoTR world, therefore I deduce that the answer to 11 is Bill Ferny.
Huh, is he? I didn't know that! Not that Weasley, anyway.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
5. - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-21-2020, 04:28 PM   #10210
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5. MITH + RID + NAR = MITHRANDIR (I have to echo you - blue? )

4 makes me think of Narsil, but can't fit it to the clue.

8 - hey! I swear I've seen this trick before! Except that neither, um, participant has a road and a something and a hobbit.
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Old 09-22-2020, 01:43 AM   #10211
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5. MITH + RID + NAR = MITHRANDIR (I have to echo you - blue? )
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4 makes me think of Narsil, but can't fit it to the clue.
Not even close.

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8 - hey! I swear I've seen this trick before! Except that neither, um, participant has a road and a something and a hobbit.
o.o I am very pleased that I have no idea what you're talking about.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-23-2020, 10:53 AM   #10212
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Could 3 be CELEBRIMBOR? Purely because it contains BRIM and he was a ring artisan.
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:51 PM   #10213
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Could 3 be CELEBRIMBOR? Purely because it contsins BRIM anx hd was a ring artisan.
It is! The full derivation is reversed ELECT + BRIM + BORE (dull) gives 'Tcelebrimbore', which is then topped and tailed.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-23-2020, 05:01 PM   #10214
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o.o I am very pleased that I have no idea what you're talking about.
I was thinking about the three (FOUR!) Elf/Mortal couples. But the second - Idril and Tuor - are simply too short to contain that clue. Celebrindal is long enough, but I just don't see how it can fit.


#2 suggests NIE, which gives rise to several mopey name possibilities. An Elvish gift is ANNA or something like it, from Annatar. Hence, NIENNA.
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Old 09-24-2020, 01:42 AM   #10215
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I was thinking about the three (FOUR!) Elf/Mortal couples. But the second - Idril and Tuor - are simply too short to contain that clue. Celebrindal is long enough, but I just don't see how it can fit.
Oh, hah. Nothing to do with any of that (except in the sense that this person is distantly related to them... but frankly, it's Middle-earth, isn't everyone?)

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#2 suggests NIE, which gives rise to several mopey name possibilities. An Elvish gift is ANNA or something like it, from Annatar. Hence, NIENNA.
Correct; ANN(a)EIN backwards.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-26-2020, 02:16 PM   #10216
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Old 09-26-2020, 02:51 PM   #10217
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Is 4 OAK or OAKENSHIELD?
Oakenshield it is. I was always taught that the three English trees were oak, ash, and elm - up until elm went rather solidly extinct in these parts.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Old 09-26-2020, 04:24 PM   #10218
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Old 09-27-2020, 05:42 AM   #10219
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Is 6 EARWEN, Galadriel's mother?
It is not (and 'Mother' is a cryptic element).

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Old 09-27-2020, 06:38 AM   #10220
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MA-EADHROS, then, who was cut down, wounded?

Has R A

And ... was about to call her a HOE?
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Old 09-27-2020, 11:46 AM   #10221
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MA-EADHROS, then, who was cut down, wounded?

Has R A

And ... was about to call her a HOE?
This is entirely wrong (though would fit the theme), but hilariously you're only one letter away from getting the answer.

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Hah, I think I got one over Pervinca, concerning this character at least.

Maura? (MA+U+RA)

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Hah, I think I got one over Pervinca, concerning this character at least.

Maura? (MA+U+RA)

I know him better than you.
That's the chappie; you see why I was amused?

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

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Uncommitted?

9. Theodred? (Dread of theism in incorrect Latin?)

11. Daeron? (Ron ... not sure about werewolf).
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I expected you to at least say something about the thing. *disappointed*
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You're right - it seems remarkable that you thought of him and I didn't.

I didn't think of Frodo's other names. I'd no reason to, because I had no idea of the theme at that point.
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Uncommitted?

9. Theodred? (Dread of theism in incorrect Latin?)

11. Daeron? (Ron ... not sure about werewolf).
"He may live as a wolf, but he will die Ron."

All three correct.

1. U - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. E - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

(I'm pretty sure it's 'Dairon' not 'Dayron'.)

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Old 09-27-2020, 04:14 PM   #10229
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Well, I think that Gandalf and Frodo are very committed towards destroying Sauron, but that could just be me...
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Well, I think that Gandalf and Frodo are very committed towards destroying Sauron, but that could just be me...
Well, Frodo had his moments of hesitation - maybe this spring, or next year, or after the birthday, etc. Uncommitted to a decision. But what was Nienna uncommitted about?

Wait.

Oh.

Are they uncommitted as in... single?


EDIT: Making #1 URWEN = UR + WHEN
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'Single' is what I understood. Hence my remark about not thinking of Frodo until I'd worked out the theme.

I thought the password started with the word 'Once' for a bit.

Ron's brother Bill nearly became a werewolf. I was trying to put Bill into the answer for quite a while.
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Well, Frodo had his moments of hesitation - maybe this spring, or next year, or after the birthday, etc. Uncommitted to a decision. But what was Nienna uncommitted about?

Wait.

Oh.

Are they uncommitted as in... single?
^_^ That's exactly what they are.

(Originally it was going to be single women, but that only gives about 5 letters, and most of those are vowels, so.)

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EDIT: Making #1 URWEN = UR + WHEN
Correct!

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. E - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

2 to go.

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I like the Urwen clue, but what is the 'ancient city' element?
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I like the Urwen clue, but what is the 'ancient city' element?
Ur. It's kind of the ur-ancient city, so to speak. ^_~

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10. EARNUR.

Ey, ahh knaw!
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10. EARNUR.

Ey, ahh knaw!
I wound up puzzling over this one myself. The answer is indeed Earnur, with 'the city' being Minas Morgul... I think the clue was 'EARNER + "E? No, U!", but I'm honestly not certain.

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
EARNUR - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

Only #8 to go! I quite like this one. ^_^

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Huey, is the T the 4th letter?
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Huey, is the T the 4th letter?
N--

...

The clue is not indicating that you need to take the fourth letter, no.

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Huey, is the T the 4th letter?
I thought it was the second. Or maybe neither, and both the 2 and 4 are not talkong about letter placement.
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I thought it was the second. Or maybe neither, and both the 2 and 4 are not talkong about letter placement.
They aren't, it's just the first letter.

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