Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morm

morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally

Ha ha, I love it, especially that he's a Wolf suggesting this. Way to go Mith for forcing the conversation toward the Living!

Originally Posted by Mith

We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong?

Yes!!!! This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I had in mind. Mith- you have become Phantom!

Anyway, it's quite easy to get caught up on the Living thread, but the Dead thread is another matter.

*goes to read*

[the phantom]

I'm trying to get caught up but I can't move beyond Agan's post where Bilbo becomes Cage. I'm just watching it over and over.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yes!!!! This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I had in mind. Mith- you have become Phantom!

Make sure she hears that. Interesting, given that she was most anti-Phantom on first Day. You should thank her!

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Make sure she hears that. Interesting, given that she was most anti-Phantom on first Day. You should thank her!

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.

I'll try to do the same.

[the phantom]

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.

Which is what I'm thinking of doing. No promises though, and if it can be avoided I'd rather.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

This might be one of those once-in-a-decade Werewolf games where you need to set an alarm.

It's not early for me- it just happens to fall at a time when I may not be able to get online.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anyway, as for myself and DL, I won't really be here for the DL (no way), but I will try to vote when there is at least something to start with. For instance, when someone votes for one of our Wolves, or somesuch. Or, of course, if someone votes for a Wolf and in such a way that we can send a message that way as well. Of course, I don't want to be too greedy.

Fits me as well.

Lot to do tomorrow so no staying awake up to 5am. Sorry.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I half wonder if we shouldn't ask the dead thread a simple question, like how many wolves are in the dead thread right now? Like -

If it's 1, give Lommy the extra vote
If it's 2, give Shasta the extra vote
If it's 3, give Eomer the extra vote
If it's 4, give Mith the extra vote
If it's 5, give Boro the extra vote
If it's 6, give McCaber the extra vote

- or something like that. Thoughts?

No Mr. Ranger, no...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boro

Morm's pairs would work the best if Nerwen got a wolf in one of her final dreams.

Lommy's if she got innocents. But it leaves the door open for a bad lynch since the innocents aren't infallible.

Mith's suggestion of everyone self-voting and letting the dead decide if they know a living wolf would be great, if everyone goes through with it. But it leaves the door open for wolf funny business, which would out their wolvery. Although I would just kill them in the night then, that might be enough of a deterrence?

It's really up to the collective of the village. I have no problem self-voting.

I'm always for stepping back and taking a good look at things and different options one has... but if they are now going to open a discussion on all options there will be nothing sorted out before three hours from now - or something.

How many "secure" voters do we have there at the DL against wolves aka. is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?

[Rikae]

And, once again, being "helpful" by suggesting multiple plans... and known innocents are doing it, too.

Get your act together, living people!

Edit: X'd with Nog

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How many "secure" voters do we have there at the DL against wolves aka. is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)

Haha. Aganzir I thought said she was going to hang around.

So three white riders (Firefoot, Agan & tp) against two dark wolves (Mac, Lottie) at the DL - and then you Rikae... interesting.

[the phantom]

At least they seem to realize that they need to act soon, but no one is being forceful about it. Someone needs to say, "The Dead HAVE to vote NOW because it's late. The voting plan is X. You have 30 minutes to say if anything is wrong with that vote plan. If not, that IS the plan no matter what anyone else says later. I have spoken."

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You have phantom and Firefoot... and me. I solemnly swearto vote in the interests of the village.

(Or is that only believable when wolves say it?)

Exactly the whole question is if that's enough. There is probably Aganzir at some at least decently late-ish point, but I am with Nog on that I would prefer to wrap this up, like, now.

Which, given there are zero votes on the Living thread and looking at the list of people who could vote for being in the European timezone, is not very nice. I expect Lommy to vote in a couple of hours because of her late-evening program together with Agan, and Mith and Eomer and Kath, if she appears, are still two hours in bonus compared to us near the lakes of Rhun. Others I expect to vote just before DL.

I'm wondering if I might even pull off some half-"doze of for two hours and possibly come back"-trick, but in that case I require somebody to be here and alert to give me a vote tally, and anyway, even with that I won't vote very close to the DL. (I could at least vote when there has actually a vote been cast.)

Or I might leave that be, which I do not like to do... or pull the same trick that's been discussed here before and inquire Aganzir here about alerting me by phone call in case my vote seems to be needed. But then again, it still would be probably too early before the DL, so it might not make sense at all.

[Nogrod]

We probably shouldn't count on Rune to appear and I think Greenie hasn't been around the whole Day.

Nerwen seems to be unsure whether she'll have internet access at the DL.

Lalaith will probably try to vote as wolfishly as possible but as an European might need to vote early.

Then there's Legate and myself.

And the white knights, black wolves & Rikae.


We should be able to pull the numbers.

Should, that is.

[the phantom]

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

[the phantom]

Just in case a posting binge might prod them....

[the phantom]

Settle your plan now, Living. Settle it NOW.

[the phantom]

See how active we are? It's because WE'RE SCREAMING AT YOU.

[the phantom]

Do any of you Living Europeans feel sleepy? Thinking about going to bed?

Then maybe it's also true OF TONS OF PEOPLE HERE ON THIS THREAD!

[the phantom]

You notice how no one was empowered yesterday?

Maybe it was because YOU DIDN'T LET US BECAUSE YOU TOOK SO LONG TO MAKE A PLAN AND THEN VOTE!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

Kinda... I was thinking if, say, Kath, who just now appeared, voted for one of the Orms, whether I should not cast my vote to empower her, but it is true it could create a mess. Thoughts?

And in regards to something Nerwen mentioned like ages ago and it sort of fell under the table, except for maybe one comment: Nerwen, if you are thinking about whose identity to dream, I would suggest if we get a new totally enigmatic player, then them, if not, then somebody out of Nog or Rikae, potentially the phantom. But rather one of the former (sic! I hope not).

[the phantom]

You know who doesn't sit around and discuss and waffle and foot-drag? A leader.

Be Gandalf. Do what needs to be done. You don't need to reach an agreement. Don't need to see what others think. Just say what IS best and tell everyone they need to do it or be considered a Wolf.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you have to go to bed before they get a plan up, I think it might be best to swallow your vote. What if the new vote plan leads to something bad with your vote (the Baddies pile onto it). If you don't vote at all at least we'd have a shot of avoiding something like that.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by me #1098

is there a good argument for early-sleepers not to vote at all if there seems to be happening nothing in the Living thread in say 1-1½ hours the most?

Have been kind of thinking about that...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Do any of you Living Europeans feel sleepy? Thinking about going to bed?

Then maybe it's also true OF TONS OF PEOPLE HERE ON THIS THREAD!

You, sir, are a poet!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Or I might leave that be, which I do not like to do... or pull the same trick that's been discussed here before and inquire Aganzir here about alerting me by phone call in case my vote seems to be needed. But then again, it still would be probably too early before the DL, so it might not make sense at all.

Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you. Will do it though if needed.

[the phantom]

She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you.

[Rikae]

Nobody should vote early, too risssssky.

[the phantom]

V1: "Hey, the Dead are agitated. What do you think is going on?"

V2: "Dunno. Maybe all those dead Europeans want to vote and go to bed."

V1: "Yeah, you're probably right. Hey, let's debate our voting plan for another hour or so and then wait four hours to cast our votes."

V2: "Yeah, sounds good."

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.

Agreed. I'm fine with myself being checked, but would think Rikae a better choice as she will stand there around the DL with a message like:

Originally Posted by Rikae

I solemnly swear to vote in the interests of the village

[the phantom]

I solemnly swear to try and kill Morm or Form. If Mac and Lottie would help that would be nice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lommy is going to stay here for the night and she'll be SO confused if/when my alarm goes off at 4.45 and even more so if she hears me on the phone with you. Will do it though if needed.

Indeed. Now that would be a sight...

Originally Posted by the phantom

She already dreamt me, dude. It'll be Nog or Rikae tonight- unless the Living sadly send us an unknown instead of a Wolf.

Oh right. See? I really need to go to sleep earlier toDay. Also because I want to get some stuff done tomorrow morning.

I might abstain - unless the Living cook something up fairly soon; they started to seem being active, but how much remains still to be seen.

[the phantom]

Legate- when it's time to vote I'll text you.

[Nogrod]

It seems to be Kath's turn...

Originally Posted by Kath

No one has voted yet right? So can we simply match up pairs?

Form <--> sally
McCaber <--> Boro
morm <--> Lommy
Mith <--> Eomer
Kath <--> Shasta

[Rikae]

Kath's gotta be the last wolf.

One good thing: by Morm's first list and by Lommy's, empowering Sally would at least be true (and it sounds like Kath wants her to vote for Form?)
(By Morm's second list, it's "no dream")

EDIT: My original post #1132 posted at 5:38 pm

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'd rather be dreamed by Nerwen because I object to being called "prey".
__________________

[the phantom]

Well, I'll be back once something actually happens on the Living Thread.

See you in about four hours.

[Lalaith]

They seek him here
They seek her there,
They seek that sixth wolf everywhere...
Is he with the living
Or is she in hell,
That damned elusive....who?

Lottie's deal only works if she has a live wolf to trade...but what if....the sixth wolf is already dead? Here among us, right now? All those dead you haven't bothered to scry...Or what if I am in fact the third member of Lottie's pack and none of us know who the sixth wolf is? Or what if....oh, there are so many possibilities.
And don't worry. I am going to bed. No alarm clocks for me. On my honour as a Grip, or a Fang, or....

[Nogrod]

Okay. I don't feel that sleepy at the moment and can hang out for an hour - I'd say. And getting to sleep like 1.30 is not that bad.

Mith's suggestion (I think it was one of the older ones) seems pretty ok to me.

If they take it, then it's either McCaber (morm) or Lommy (Form).

It would be nice to help lynch Form when Boro might then take off morm... (if he actually has that role he talks of, I think he could do exactly that)