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Estanesse · 03-06-2003, 11:00 AM

Who can tell me if Sauron was invisible when he wears the ring.
Or does the ring only have this effect on mortals.
If so, why?

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Pippin Took · 03-06-2003, 11:45 AM

Good question...Im afraid I cant tell that.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-06-2003, 12:17 PM

Well since he fought Gil-galad and Elendil with the ring on, I think he remained visible. I also believe his wearing the ring in Numenor being mentioned by Tolkien, in his letters. Plus he had full control of the ring.

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Scott · 03-06-2003, 12:31 PM

How could Sauron have worn the ring in Numenor?
I thought it was forged after Numenor's fall?

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-06-2003, 01:54 PM

No-it was forged in 1600 S.A. The Fall of Numenor was in 3319 S.A and Sauron was brought there in 3262, S.A.

Legolas · 03-06-2003, 02:49 PM

I think the basic concepts here have been discussed before. I'm pretty sure Sauron could've made himself invisible without the Ring, before or after it was forged. Sauron used the Ring to control the others, and its will was his will. It was him. Not all of him, but him nonetheless. The invisibility effect on others reflects the idea that no one could bend the will of the Ring to his own desires, save Sauron, who was the Ring.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-07-2003, 06:40 AM

My understanding is that the Ring, when worn, takes the wearer into the spirit world. Thus, he becomes invisible to those in the material world, but visible to those already in the spirit world, such as the Ringwraiths.

Presumably, Sauron, as a Maia, was able to exist in both the material and spirit world, and so did not need the Ring to enter the spirit world. Why therefore did he imbue the One Ring with an ability that he did not need? Or was this just a natural side-effect of Rings of Power?

Eol Telemnar · 12-12-2003, 06:58 PM

I think that Sauron Could decide if he wanted to become invisible or not while he had the ring on. The power of the ring is Power, and the will to dominate all life [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I hope I was any help (probably not, but o' well [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lord of Angmar · 12-12-2003, 07:02 PM

Eol, it is probably best not to dredge up too many of these old, already-concluded threads.

Since the Ring was imbued with the ability to make its wearer invisible, then it is only natural that Sauron its creator would be able to become invisible whilst wearing the Ring (especially since he was a Maiar and could be invisible anyway). He was obviously not always invisible with the Ring on, just, I would imagine, when he chose to be.

03-06-2003, 11:00 AM	#1
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	the Power of the Ring Who can tell me if Sauron was invisible when he wears the ring. Or does the ring only have this effect on mortals. If so, why? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

03-06-2003, 11:45 AM	#2
Pippin Took Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Shire, Tookbank Posts: 11	Good question...Im afraid I cant tell that. __________________ Fool of a Took ;)

03-06-2003, 12:17 PM	#3
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Well since he fought Gil-galad and Elendil with the ring on, I think he remained visible. I also believe his wearing the ring in Numenor being mentioned by Tolkien, in his letters. Plus he had full control of the ring. [ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-06-2003, 12:31 PM	#4
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	How could Sauron have worn the ring in Numenor? I thought it was forged after Numenor's fall? __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

03-06-2003, 01:54 PM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	No-it was forged in 1600 S.A. The Fall of Numenor was in 3319 S.A and Sauron was brought there in 3262, S.A. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-06-2003, 02:49 PM	#6
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	I think the basic concepts here have been discussed before. I'm pretty sure Sauron could've made himself invisible without the Ring, before or after it was forged. Sauron used the Ring to control the others, and its will was his will. It was him. Not all of him, but him nonetheless. The invisibility effect on others reflects the idea that no one could bend the will of the Ring to his own desires, save Sauron, who was the Ring. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

03-07-2003, 06:40 AM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,436	My understanding is that the Ring, when worn, takes the wearer into the spirit world. Thus, he becomes invisible to those in the material world, but visible to those already in the spirit world, such as the Ringwraiths. Presumably, Sauron, as a Maia, was able to exist in both the material and spirit world, and so did not need the Ring to enter the spirit world. Why therefore did he imbue the One Ring with an ability that he did not need? Or was this just a natural side-effect of Rings of Power? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-12-2003, 06:58 PM	#8
Eol Telemnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At my house, on my computer (where else would I be? Posts: 89	I think that Sauron Could decide if he wanted to become invisible or not while he had the ring on. The power of the ring is Power, and the will to dominate all life [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I hope I was any help (probably not, but o' well [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Eol Telemnar, The Dark Elf , Has Spoken, Heed My words well. Peace go with you.

12-12-2003, 07:02 PM	#9
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Eol, it is probably best not to dredge up too many of these old, already-concluded threads. Since the Ring was imbued with the ability to make its wearer invisible, then it is only natural that Sauron its creator would be able to become invisible whilst wearing the Ring (especially since he was a Maiar and could be invisible anyway). He was obviously not always invisible with the Ring on, just, I would imagine, when he chose to be. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.