Aragorn and Arwen - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Maluriel · 07-24-2003, 04:41 PM

I did read this once in the Appendices, but did they have children? Because this is a small question, you can put any type of descussion here about these two.

Maluriel, Varya Quendelion

Silmiel of Imladris · 07-24-2003, 08:32 PM

I don't really know what you are asking but yes Aragorn and Arwen had children. One son named Eldarion and many unknown daughters.

tinewelt · 07-24-2003, 09:41 PM

They had a son named Eldarion. If you "re-read" the appendices, where Aragorn is saying farewell to Arwen, he says

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For if I will not go now, then I must soon go perfore. And Eldarion our son is a man full-ripe for Kingship.

They also had many other daughters.

~Namarie~

Meela · 07-25-2003, 08:41 AM

So nothing is said about any of these daughters I take it?
Do we know anything of Eldarion's life? Is it said who he married or who his children were?

tinewelt · 07-25-2003, 11:02 PM

No, unfortunately we do not know much of anything about Eldarions life or his sisters. Here is a helpful bit of information from the encyclopedia of Arda.

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The son of Aragorn II Elessar and Arwen Evenstar; almost nothing is known of his life, but that he became King of the Reunited Kingdom after the death of his father in IV 120.

For such an important character, almost nothing is known of Eldarion's life or deeds. Almost the only definite statement about him came from his father, who commented that he was 'full-ripe for kingship' in The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen (given in Appendix A I (v) to The Lord of the Rings). Aragorn's ancestors had tended to take over their duties as Chieftain at about the age of ninety: if Eldarion followed this pattern, this would place his birth in the years around IV 30.

Eldarion inherited his Kingdom in a manner that recalled the ancient traditions of Númenor: his father Aragorn Elessar gave him the tokens of his rule, and then gave up his life willingly, as his mighty ancestors had done thousands of years before. The new King's mother Arwen left him to rule alone, passing away to the now-empty land of Lórien, where her long life also came to an end. As well as being the Heir of Isildur and High King, his descent from Elrond through Arwen made Eldarion the lord of the remaining Elf-lands of Middle-earth. This fact seems to be the source of his name, which apparently means 'Descendant of the Eldar'.

What these great titles meant in practice, cannot now be known. There are references in the History of Middle-earth that make it all but certain that he left descendants to rule after him, but apart from these, no details of Eldarion's time as High King are recorded.

~Namarie~

Oddwen · 07-26-2003, 02:45 PM

I read somewhere that it was prophesied that his rule would last a hundred years. That's all I know about him.

Imladrien · 07-29-2003, 08:07 AM

Eldarion is mentioned briefly (just that he was the king at the time) in "The New Shadow" (Tolkien's attempt at a sequel for LotR) and the commentary about it from Christopher Tolkien, in "The Peoples of Middle Earth". Tolkien kept changing his mind about the timing, in other words how long Eldarion reigned. But, as far as I can tell there is nothing describing his character as a person.
--Imladrien
Reading Tolkien's Middle-earth

Lady Of Light · 07-30-2003, 06:38 PM

hmmm.... this set me to wondering.... did Tolkien even work out much of the history after the war of the ring? It seems to me that he meant his histories to be more about the golden days of middle earth, and not it's demise, so he probably wouldn't have released much about things that happened after all of the elves and Gandalf have left. This is making me sad. I'll just stop now.

Phervasaion · 07-31-2003, 04:57 AM

If Tolkein had more time i believe that hw would have written more about Eldarion and his reign as king but its a fact that Tolkein did not have enough time in his life to write about these further details.

Aredhel Idril Telcontar · 07-31-2003, 07:46 AM

I don't think Tolkien was very concerned about what happened after, because of the fading of the Elves and the Dominion of Men. I think it's too sad a topic to willingly approach.

-Aredhel

StarJewel · 08-01-2003, 11:22 PM

It would have been interesting, though, if he did write more about the time after the elves. Maybe there would have been another dark lord-like figure to take Saurons's place, and Aragorn's decendants would have had to deal with it.

Lhunardawen · 08-02-2003, 01:56 AM

Where did you read that Aragorn and Arwen had daughters? I am very much aware of Eldarion, but as for their daughters, I didn't know that.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-02-2003, 02:42 AM

The information about Arwen and Aragorn's daughters can be found in Appendix A, The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen:

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[After Aragorn's death, Arwen] ...said farewell to Eldarion, and to her daughters, and to all whom she had loved...

For all who are interested in their story, this section is essential reading!

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-02-2003, 02:59 AM

Essential is right. Now, who posted in the Books without have read the Appendices eh? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

tinewelt · 08-02-2003, 10:46 PM

did you just say.... eh? Whats that all aboot? lol that makes me want to sing the southpark version of "blame Canada" ok, i do not know why i posted that. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Anyway, the appedices are very vital for a question like this. But, they probably got anxious and asked the question before reading them. Understandable [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-03-2003, 02:44 AM

Thanks for that observation there, tinewelt.

Snowdog · 09-14-2010, 05:21 PM

This question, like all questions asked of Middle Earth and Lord of the Rings, was one to gain knowledge and to stimulate discussion.

The one line mentioned about the daughters of Aragorn & Arwen, and the 4th Age in general, leave it wide open for all the fan-fiction... both good, bad, & ugly.

I'm just happy J.R.R. Tolkien was able to write so much while also doing his day job as a professor!

07-24-2003, 04:41 PM	#1
Maluriel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in a hole under a rock Posts: 21	Aragorn and Arwen I did read this once in the Appendices, but did they have children? Because this is a small question, you can put any type of descussion here about these two. Maluriel, Varya Quendelion __________________ The elf will not be forgotten, for I am The Varya Quendelion.

07-24-2003, 08:32 PM	#2
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I don't really know what you are asking but yes Aragorn and Arwen had children. One son named Eldarion and many unknown daughters. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

07-25-2003, 08:41 AM	#4
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	So nothing is said about any of these daughters I take it? Do we know anything of Eldarion's life? Is it said who he married or who his children were? __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-26-2003, 02:45 PM	#6
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,125	I read somewhere that it was prophesied that his rule would last a hundred years. That's all I know about him. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

07-30-2003, 06:38 PM	#8
Lady Of Light Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: VA Posts: 26	hmmm.... this set me to wondering.... did Tolkien even work out much of the history after the war of the ring? It seems to me that he meant his histories to be more about the golden days of middle earth, and not it's demise, so he probably wouldn't have released much about things that happened after all of the elves and Gandalf have left. This is making me sad. I'll just stop now. __________________ The knight looked to her with reproval, and she laughed, and he could not help but join in.

07-29-2003, 08:07 AM	#7
Imladrien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 21	Eldarion is mentioned briefly (just that he was the king at the time) in "The New Shadow" (Tolkien's attempt at a sequel for LotR) and the commentary about it from Christopher Tolkien, in "The Peoples of Middle Earth". Tolkien kept changing his mind about the timing, in other words how long Eldarion reigned. But, as far as I can tell there is nothing describing his character as a person. --Imladrien Reading Tolkien's Middle-earth

07-31-2003, 04:57 AM	#9
Phervasaion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The wilderness of Middle-Earth Posts: 306	If Tolkein had more time i believe that hw would have written more about Eldarion and his reign as king but its a fact that Tolkein did not have enough time in his life to write about these further details. __________________ Phervasaion

07-31-2003, 07:46 AM	#10
Aredhel Idril Telcontar Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hanging on a sheer cliff with Maedhros Posts: 113	I don't think Tolkien was very concerned about what happened after, because of the fading of the Elves and the Dominion of Men. I think it's too sad a topic to willingly approach. -Aredhel __________________ "I am your sister and not your servant, and beyond your bounds I will go as seems good to me." Tai uzdaryk mane Tevyne savyje/kaip giesme gerkleje mirtis uzdaro/ ir kaip uzdaro vakara naktis/ o Tu man atsakai: as Tavo laisve

08-01-2003, 11:22 PM	#11
StarJewel Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: I'm in my dear Maedhros' arms, dreaming the day away. Oh, who am I kidding, Chicago is nothing like that! Posts: 116	It would have been interesting, though, if he did write more about the time after the elves. Maybe there would have been another dark lord-like figure to take Saurons's place, and Aragorn's decendants would have had to deal with it. __________________ Visit my writing site...if you dare http://www.fanfiction.net/~mirielamarian

08-02-2003, 01:56 AM	#12
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Where did you read that Aragorn and Arwen had daughters? I am very much aware of Eldarion, but as for their daughters, I didn't know that.

08-02-2003, 02:59 AM	#14
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Essential is right. Now, who posted in the Books without have read the Appendices eh? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

08-02-2003, 10:46 PM	#15
tinewelt Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the Seventh Gate of Gondolin Posts: 76	did you just say.... eh? Whats that all aboot? lol that makes me want to sing the southpark version of "blame Canada" ok, i do not know why i posted that. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Anyway, the appedices are very vital for a question like this. But, they probably got anxious and asked the question before reading them. Understandable [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

08-03-2003, 02:44 AM	#16
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Thanks for that observation there, tinewelt.

09-14-2010, 05:21 PM	#17
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 606	This question, like all questions asked of Middle Earth and Lord of the Rings, was one to gain knowledge and to stimulate discussion. The one line mentioned about the daughters of Aragorn & Arwen, and the 4th Age in general, leave it wide open for all the fan-fiction... both good, bad, & ugly. I'm just happy J.R.R. Tolkien was able to write so much while also doing his day job as a professor!