Among the Children of Illuvatar, who is the greatest magician? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 09-30-2003, 01:37 PM

Not counting Luthien (since she is half maia) among the Children, who was the most powerful and skilled magician ever to walk on M.E.?

Was it Feanor for the skill he showed when he captured the light of the Trees in the Silmarils?

Finrod Felagund who challenged Sauron and proved to be a mighty opponent?

The Witch King of Angmar, and the terrible infestations against Arnor and the power he had?

Celebrimbor and the rings of power he made?

Elrond with the rising of the river at his command?

Galadriel and the protective girlde around her realm, her mirror and her power to spy inside Sauron's mind?

The Mouth of Sauron, for all his might?

And when I talk about magic, it not only about spells... but also in the creations they did...

Who would you consider?

lore_master · 09-30-2003, 01:53 PM

well, i would say beorn(if he could be cointed among the children of eru) if not then i waouyld have to say feanor.

Elladan and Elrohir · 09-30-2003, 06:25 PM

The only true practicioners of magic (as we know the word) that we know of in M-E are Beorn and servants of the Enemy.

The magic of the Elves, as Galadriel explains to Frodo and Sam, is a far different matter altogether.

tinewelt · 09-30-2003, 09:24 PM

She has not been mentioned, but Melian was no amateur. I believe it is hard to say who was the best or most powerful, because each deed done was for different purposes and in different situations. But i believe it is probably close to correct to mention Feanor and Beorn as front-runners. Also, (i am probably missing something here, correct me please if needed) if the lord of the Nazgul was once a *man* then does he qualify as a contestant? But i guess most of his power came from the will of Sauron itself. Anyway, enough of my rambling.

~Namarie~

Niluial · 10-01-2003, 01:50 AM

Like tinwelt said
it is hard to say who is best or most powerful, because each deed done was for different purposes and in different situations.

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But I guess most of his power came from the will of Sauron itself

I think you are correct most of their power came from the will of Sauron. But then again I may be wrong!

I would probably choose Feanor the creator of the Silmarils. I believe he was a genius because he first created the magical crystals filled with starlight, Elven-gems. And because he made “seeing stones” the Palantiri. But of course I could not leave out the forging of the Silmarils the three gems filled with the living light of the Trees of the Valar. The most beautiful gems in the world
But then of course it become a curse to Feanor’s race for Melkor destroyed the Trees of light and killed his father, took the Silmarils and like we all know fled to Middle-earth. Then in a later stage Feanor was slain by Gothmog the High Captain of Angband…ok sorry I am getting a little carried away, I am sure you know this already.

But I would also probably choose Beorn for he can change into a bear.

But I suppose each power they had was great and it is too hard to choose!

~Niluial

[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: Niluial ]

Tarien Ithil · 10-01-2003, 11:55 AM

I'd say Celebrimbor, the creator of the Rings and grandson of Feanor. (greatness runs in the family). Celebrimbor always strived to create things more powerful and greater than anything before him.

But he did make a mistake when he let a stranger called Annatar aid in the forging of the Rings, and turned out to be Sauron. I guess even great peopel make mistakes......

lore_master · 10-01-2003, 04:32 PM

ahhh, so folly also runs in the family of feanor.

09-30-2003, 01:37 PM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Among the Children of Illuvatar, who is the greatest magician? Not counting Luthien (since she is half maia) among the Children, who was the most powerful and skilled magician ever to walk on M.E.? Was it Feanor for the skill he showed when he captured the light of the Trees in the Silmarils? Finrod Felagund who challenged Sauron and proved to be a mighty opponent? The Witch King of Angmar, and the terrible infestations against Arnor and the power he had? Celebrimbor and the rings of power he made? Elrond with the rising of the river at his command? Galadriel and the protective girlde around her realm, her mirror and her power to spy inside Sauron's mind? The Mouth of Sauron, for all his might? And when I talk about magic, it not only about spells... but also in the creations they did... Who would you consider? __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

09-30-2003, 01:53 PM	#2
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	well, i would say beorn(if he could be cointed among the children of eru) if not then i waouyld have to say feanor. __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

09-30-2003, 06:25 PM	#3
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	The only true practicioners of magic (as we know the word) that we know of in M-E are Beorn and servants of the Enemy. The magic of the Elves, as Galadriel explains to Frodo and Sam, is a far different matter altogether. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

10-01-2003, 11:55 AM	#6
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	I'd say Celebrimbor, the creator of the Rings and grandson of Feanor. (greatness runs in the family). Celebrimbor always strived to create things more powerful and greater than anything before him. But he did make a mistake when he let a stranger called Annatar aid in the forging of the Rings, and turned out to be Sauron. I guess even great peopel make mistakes...... __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-01-2003, 04:32 PM	#7
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	ahhh, so folly also runs in the family of feanor. __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

09-30-2003, 09:24 PM	#4
tinewelt Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the Seventh Gate of Gondolin Posts: 76	She has not been mentioned, but Melian was no amateur. I believe it is hard to say who was the best or most powerful, because each deed done was for different purposes and in different situations. But i believe it is probably close to correct to mention Feanor and Beorn as front-runners. Also, (i am probably missing something here, correct me please if needed) if the lord of the Nazgul was once a man then does he qualify as a contestant? But i guess most of his power came from the will of Sauron itself. Anyway, enough of my rambling. ~Namarie~