Werewolf XLVI: Getting Back to Basics

[Nogrod]

Although Elf Warrior's sense lit a small light to be sure...

[The Elf-warrior]

I'm sorry, Nogrod, I saw, but I didn't observe. Looking at Nogrod's DAY 2 vote again, about the only way I can see Nogrod being a wolf is if Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, so you're probably innocent. *casts a sideways glance at Lommy* Hear the man out. Vote Nerwen.

[Mithalwen]

++ Sally (Satansaloser)

Late but loud alarm bell ringing and I am beginning to find Noggin in Eeyore/Marvin mode amusing.....

[Thinlómien]

Poor Noggie. I'm sorry, whether you're a wolf or not...

++Nogrod

Don't take it personally. You can laugh at me if I'm wrong. Then I deserve it.


edit: xed with everybody since Ng's post after mine
edit2: not after mine, the one that xed with mine

[satansaloser2005]

Or Kath. I still prefer Kath. But I'll go with consensus.



Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

++ Sally (Satansaloser)

Late but loud alarm bell ringing and I am beginning to find Noggin in Eeyore/Marvin mode amusing.....

Wow. That was unexpected. I'm flattered!

[Nogrod]

Okay it needs to be someone with one vote already.

I suggest Nerwen as the best bet.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else....

It seems it's too late...? If it helps, you can kick and hit me if he's innocent.


edit: xed with sal and nog

[satansaloser2005]

Okay. I prefer Kath by only a small margin, so....


++Nerwen

....it is. Best of luck to all no matter the outcome.

[Thinlómien]

Sally! Don't trust Nogrod!

edit: xed with sally

[Nogrod]

If Sally and I vote Nerwen we get same numberts once again...

[Mithalwen]

Ah well suddenly freaked me ... post or I'll vote last minute thang ... seemed a bit too laid back... and oh well I don't know there surely was a wolf on wolf vote last time....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

It seems it's too late...? If it helps, you can kick and hit me if he's innocent.


edit: xed with sal and nog

I've been saying it all day dearie. But don't worry, I won't resort to violence. I've got a duck for that sort of thing....

[Nogrod]

++ Nerwen

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If Sally and I vote Nerwen we get same numberts once again...

Take your chance then

[Thinlómien]

If Nogrod manages to get to a tie and survives again by chance I'm going to strangle Mrs Fortuna - yes, even though Gwath was guilty!


edit: xed with everybody

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

++ Nerwen

Excellent!




Noggie, if you do turn out to be a wolf, I'll smack you....fortunately I don't think it'll come to that.

[Nogrod]

C'mon dear...
(that means Lommy's outburst that is)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

C'mon dear...
(that means Lommy's outburst that is)

Hehe. Poor Lommie's probably having an aneurysm right about now. *gives Lommie a cookie* There, there, it'll be all right.


And now it's up to our dear Menel....may he randomize wisely....


Good afternoon/Night everyone, I'm taking a nap!

[Meneltarmacil]

The villagers rolled a die to find out who died this time.

Nogrod was the unlucky one. The villagers searched him out and eventually found him among his barrels of ale, which were somewhat empty.

"Wolf, your days are at an end!" Thinlomien proclaimed.

"URRRRRRP" was all that Nogrod said in response.

"I thought so," Sally replied. "What a pathetic man."

"OWOOOOOOOOOO!" said Nogrod, looking up at the moon.

"That's odd, why do you say that?" asked Sally.

"Grrrrrrrrowl!" With that, Nogrod pushed a large ale barrel onto his attackers. When they got up, a ferocious beast stood where Nogrod had been. The wolf howled again and leaped at them. The villagers were initially afraid, but eventually managed to toss enought barrels at the wolf to kill him.

Another werewolf was no more.

Alive:
Kath
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Nerwen
Oddwen
satansaloser2005
The Elf-warrior
Thinlomien

Dead:
Meneltarmacil (Moderator): Crushed under falling cow by Wolves on Night 1.
Lhunardawen (Seer): Hung by villagers on Day 1.
Aganzir (Ordinary Villager): Made into shoes by Wolves on Night 2.
Gwathagor (Werewolf): Objections aside, hung by villagers on Day 2.
Volo (Ordinary Villager): Turned into a hunting trophy by Wolves on Night 3.
Nogrod (Werewolf): Killed with thrown ale barrels by villagers on Day 3.

Here begins Night 4.

[Meneltarmacil]

The sun rose again, announcing the beginning of a new day.

This time, Thinlomien was missing from the villagers.

"Well, maybe she finally went off the deep end for good this time," Sally speculated. "I've been trying to talk sense into her this whole time, but she's still just as crazy as... oh no."

They all gasped. In the center of the village was a tall hat rack, with several hats on it. On top of it, however, Thinlomien had been impaled, and there were bloody paw prints all around the scene.

Alive:
Kath
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Nerwen
Oddwen
satansaloser2005
The Elf-warrior

Dead:
Meneltarmacil (Moderator): Crushed under falling cow by Wolves on Night 1.
Lhunardawen (Seer): Hung by villagers on Day 1.
Aganzir (Ordinary Villager): Made into shoes by Wolves on Night 2.
Gwathagor (Werewolf): Objections aside, hung by villagers on Day 2.
Volo (Ordinary Villager): Turned into a hunting trophy by Wolves on Night 3.
Nogrod (Werewolf): Killed with thrown ale barrels by villagers on Day 3.
Thinlomien (Ordinary Villager): Impaled on a hat rack by Wolves on Night 4.

Day 4 begins now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hahahaaa, I knew Nog was one! Great!

Well this is surely wonderful and only Lommy's death gives somewhat bad feeling to that, but with the memory of her bravery and devotion to the village, this is the time of rejoice. However now, I have to read what happened yesterDay, as I did not have chance to read through anything since my last post, and I am not quite sure how things are going to go in the future with me (see the admin thread for more). However I will try to post at least a little now and then we shall see.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I realize I'm probably going to get lynched for being so stupid in regards to Noggie yesterDay, but I'm going to try to help out anyway. I posted the last two Days votes yesterDay, so give me a few minutes and I'll do the same for today. Oh, and I'm going to update my previous post (can I do that? since I'm only adding italics?) to reflect the innocence/guilt of all. Expect a post in a few minutes.


P.S. Noggie, you're the devil. That's all I have to say to you right now. Expect a duck to come after you sometime verrrrry soon, my furry friend.

[satansaloser2005]

Day One Votes:
Volo-->Volo at 5:32am
Lhuna -->Gwath at 2:01pm
Kath -->Legate at 4:42
Nerwen -->Lhuna at 5:37pm
Gwath -->Lhuna at 5:52pm
Mith -->Noggie at 6:37pm
Noggie -->Lhuna at 6:52pm
Elf -->Agan at 6:56pm
Lommie -->Gwath at 6:59pm
Agan -->Legate at 6:59pm
No voters: Legate, Oddie, Sally

Day Two Votes:
Kath -->Noggie at 11:30pm
Oddie -->Gwath at 2:39pm
Gwath -->Legate at 6:53pm
Mith -->Noggie at 6:56pm
Lommie-->Noggie at 6:56pm
Legate -->Noggie at 6:56pm
Volo -->Gwath at 6:57pm
Noggie -->Gwath at 6:58pm
Sally -->Gwath at 6:58pm
No voters: Elf, Nerwen

Day Three Votes:
Oddie-->Noggie at 2:40pm
Legate-->Kath at 3:27pm
Nerwen-->Noggie at 5:24pm
Elf-->Nerwen at 6:39pm
Mith-->Sally at 6:55pm
Lommie-->Noggie at 6:56pm
Sally-->Nerwen at 6:58pm
Noggie-->Nerwen at 6:59pm
No voter: Kath

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am not going to haunt around here any longer. After what yesterday happened, I think I'm going to reconsider concerning Sally. Unfortunately, I can't think this through, so it's not 100%, well not even 90% or whatever, but it's probably the best thing that seems now to me. If I were to sum it up briefly:

1. She votes against Nog yesterday (possibly to save him).
2. Her vote for Gwath is no longer a proof of her innocence, because she had to choose between two wolves, so a good place for a wolf-on-wolf vote. (ON THE OTHER HAND: she "saved" Nogrod by this - apparent and possibly dangerous had Nog been lynched and revealed as Wolf? - but then, why not. She might have simply picked her preferrence of a packmate over another. Or something like that.)
3. Her interaction with Nog yesterDay seems that she was keeping distance from him too much. Simply not wanting direct interaction with him (so that she does not incriminate by doing this either him or her or them both). And he did not do much either. (especially this last argument I am not totally sure about, as I really didn't have the chance to read it too deeply, but that's what I think)

Hmm... I was about to vote here now, but I'm not gonna do that, maybe I'll pop in in the morning :EEK: well am I mad or what? If anything happens I could see that and then vote. Or I could later send my vote via someone - on the other hand that is not much as I won't even know well what's going on anyway. See the admin thread. But anyway choose well. Good night.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm. I just noticed a strange tie between Noggie and Elf, especially yesterDay. I'm going to look into that. Heading out to dinner here shortly, but I'll make sure to post my findings later.


P.S. Distant, Legate? If anything, I was following him around blindly. But hey, interpretation: to each his own.

[satansaloser2005]

Where is everyone???? I'm in the library right now so I figured I'd check for posts. Nothing....

Come on, people, speak up!



EDIT/NON-GAME-RELATED ADDITION: I'm writing a paper in my Sociology class on languages and need some random phrases in Czech....and maybe Finnish. Now I know no one on the board speaks Finnish or anything but if you could PM/facebook/whatever me with some random quotes (don't care what they are really, as long as they're fairly generic and shortish) I'd be grateful to the Nth degree to the power of seventeen....times four. Okay, back to homework. I'll post on here for real when I'm done.

[Oddwen]

I'm pretty much convinced of Nerwen's innocence - Nogrod's last-ditch grasping yesterDay just seems too desperate.

But then again so does Sally's "blind following" - a lot of things that she said to and concerning Nog just seems like very silly things for an experienced player to say.

Originally Posted by Sally

...I don't understand how mine was a "safe vote," especially since I was risking Gwath's death with only two votes left to come in.

The reason I keep asking is that Volo & especially Nogrod voted within like a minute of you - did you know they had voted, or did you think that there were (possibly) four more votes coming in to vote for the other candidate?

Though, considering that the other candidate was Nogrod, another wolf, that pretty much invalidates that question. *headdesk*

It bothers me that Mith isn't bothering me.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick check-in. I didn't know they'd voted, but I found Gwath highly suspicious, and like I said I was an idiot and trusted Noggie way too much, so I was voting to ensure Gwath's death, as I was pretty sure he was a wolf, more than I was voting to save Noggie. I'm sorry, I should have clarified that, but time was short and I was busy.

Oh, and I promise, post about Elf and Noggie coming, just tidying up some presentations and other things for classes tomorrow.

[The Elf-warrior]

Sally, you said something about strange ties. How strangely? Faith, even with losing my wits. I could kick myself for trusting Nogrod.

My last post yesterDAY was cross posted, but when I saw that I had cross-posted (including with Nogrod's post saying that I had lit a fire, but I didn't cross post with his statement saying he had already cast a clear and convincing vote for a wolf), the deadline had already past.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, whatever.

Sally: What I meant by "distant" was that you avoided any direct interaction with Nog. There was none (okay, I may have overlooked maybe, I don't know, but I think there wasn't, and if so, then nothing big).

Anyway your last post which followed mine also seems too nice-wolfy to me - saying nothing more, but nothing less that "to each his own opinion" - to a person who just almost voted you.

Probably for reasons stated above (in my last post and this one),

++Sally

Sadly I can't look properly at her behavior on Day 1 or such. No time. But you others should if you can. Till later, and good luck (or Hodně štěstí).

[Nerwen]

Gwathagor and Nogrod, Day 2.

I'm trying to work out how much (if at all) Nogrod's sacrifice of Gwath was planned in advance, as it may shed light on the voting patterns of the unknowns.

Known innocents are in italics, known wolves are underlined, everyone else is in bold.

NOGROD

#88.
Attack Lommy, claiming her first post of the Day is wolvish.

#91.
Analyses Lhuna's posts, decides she dreamt of Mith as innocent.

#93.
Lists Agan's actions.

#100.
Still after Lommy, but mentions other names (Kath, Nerwen, Volo) in passing. Gwath is suspicious, in tandem with Legate.

#122.
Lommy innocent, Volo and Legate suspicious. Nerwen and Gwath have made "slips". (Gwath's slip was identified by Lommy in an earlier post.)

#128.
Volo and Nerwen are suspicious. Gwath is "our best bet".

#131.
"Could be persuaded" to vote Volo.

#132.
Defends self from Legate.

#152.
Corrects Sally about number of votes already cast (two).

#154.

[replying to Mithalwen] You should get that [a diagnosis of monomania] quick before you people make bad decisions...

#169.
Complains that "the whole village is filled with cobblers".
Votes Gwathagor.


GWATHAGOR

#127.
Preliminary post: says hi, needs to read more.

#136.
Lommy, Legate and Nogrod are suspicious. Lommy is less so than the other two.
Oddwen suspicious. Volo OK.

#139.
Defends self against Sally. Calls her "fuzzy".

#147.

It's fun to see everyone getting frantic as DL approaches. Ok, now I really am going to go read the thread again and then vote.

#155.
Votes Legate.

From this it looks as though Nogrod's sacrifice of Gwath was a late decision– in fact Nogrod spent the first part of the day trying to find another victim and switched to Gwath rather suddenly when Lommy found something on him.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

EDIT 2: fixed grammar

[The Elf-warrior]

I've been wondering, how likely is it that there were four wolves in this village? In post #204 Legate said, "if we have three wolves..." He later says there could be two or three. We know there were more than two. Am I just being too pessimistic here?

Legate, I'd say she did directly interact with Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It was a question whether it was probable that wolves kill Sally - not whether she is innocent. Being the one to get a wolf killed is no reason for wolves to make their kill on. Retaliatory kills aren't the ones wolves would go for but ones that are useful to them.

In the very next post Sally quotes this statement without an "originally posted by..." and says,

Thanks for clarifying. That makes a lot more sense.


I need to look at more in-depth. Back in a bit.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, mid-post/work break. Ya know, Menel just might be sadistic enough to have like six wolves. How cracked out would that be? Not that I'm saying he did, but it would be hilarious.


Oh. That was in response to Noggie. What he was talking about, however, I don't remember off the top of my head. Sorry.

Okay. Back to my presentation, which thanks to Legate is going splendidly.

[Oddwen]

My suspicions in order from most to least:

Sally: Her shenanigans late yesterDay were either very naive, or brilliantly calculated to look so.

Then again...

The more I read over it, the more it looks like Nogrod was using you. But then again maybe that was the plan.

Legate - quite a bit of my bells are raised from the first day with Gwath - plus your seething defenses against Nogrod in the later Day, when Nogrod seemed seethingly defensive from everything anyway seems wonky.

Elf -Warrior - He hasn't contributed much - but when he was around yesterday he was very strange indeed. You could see Nogrod getting more and more desperate, but Elfie's all coolly voting for Nerwen...but then again, if I understand what EW has just said about the cross-posting (it is now late o'clock), it may just be Nogrod trying to cast blame on an innocent..

Kath - I'm not sure. I'm not really seeing anything horribly bad in her posts, and a lot of what others seem to be seeing is "it's either Legate or Kath"-type things...though this bit is weird:

Originally Posted by Kath

First I don't want to vote Nog because I have an automatic reaction of suspicion. Lommy I don't feel is suspicious enough to warrant a vote. Both Gwath and Legate argue themselves in circles about each other as if deliberately trying not to come to a final decision, but Legate does it for other people as well so is more irritating with it. [she votes for Legate]

So...she didn't want to vote for Nogrod because of suspicions, but Legate is okay from a choice between he and Gwath?

Nerwen - probably cleared as I've said earlier - Nogrod was pushing pretty hard for her to be lynched and wasn't for Gwath, so.

Mith - Though the bottom of my list is still pretty high in itself...it's niggling more and more in my mind why she's being passed over quite a bit...


And just because -

Originally Posted by Lommy

Post 241? Ooh, Legate is in the future...

Originally Posted by Post#241 from Nogrod

Although Elf Warrior's sense lit a small light to be sure...

[Nerwen]

I said yesterday that I thought either Nogrod or Legate was a wolf, not both– but now that I've had another look through what Gwath and Nogrod said about Legate on Day 2, I'm starting to wonder again. I mean, the way they kept mentioning him as suspicious, but always in conjunction with known innocents... I've seen that kind of thing before.

On the other hand, he played a fairly active role in getting Nogrod lynched– and I'm pretty sure Nogrod was doing his best to stay alive. Hmmn...

On the whole I think we should lynch Sally, for obvious reasons– but I am a bit worried just because she's so obvious.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the whole I think we should lynch Sally, for obvious reasons– but I am a bit worried just because she's so obvious.

Totally wouldn't blame you, after what a fool I was made out to be yesterday. Like I said, I understand that I look furrier than a bearded lady right about now, so I'm just going to do my best to help the village before/if I get killed.

And with that, I should get to bed. I'm honestly very sorry I haven't posted about Elf yet; I need to, but I keep putting it off to do my homework or talk about Doctor Who. (casts an innocent look at Gwath and Emily) The post WILL be up before Day's end, as I've kind of resigned myself to the fact that I'm dying, and like I said I may as well do the ordos some good before I go. Good night all!

[Kath]

So...she didn't want to vote for Nogrod because of suspicions, but Legate is okay from a choice between he and Gwath?

No Oddwen, I didn't want to vote for Nog because in any game I play with him I find him suspicious. The second he starts posting the tone strikes me as wolvish. However, as I know this to be the case, I try not to vote for him Day 1 in order to give my kneejerk reaction time to settle down and actually look for reasons as to why I think him suspicious. Gwath and Legate on the other hand I found suspicious not just as an automatic reaction to their mere presence, and so they were the choices for my vote.

ToDay, I think Legate is still in the running for that vote. His attack on sally looks a little too forced to me. Indeed, if sally were a wolf I sincerely doubt that she would have made that vote that brough Nog and Gwath to a tie. That's incredibly brave forward planning if that was the case, and while I wouldn't put it past her to be that brave, I don't think there would have been time in the last minute voting rush for it to be that well planned. I may have another look at Legate, I ignored him the last couple of Days due to the need for early voting and my own sleepiness. It will have to wait a bit though.

[Mithalwen]

I am here. Still kicking myself for letting up on Nogrod at the last minute - again .. having harped on the same note for 3 days I once again doubted myself ..and failed ot vote for the woluf when it counted. .

I don't have a lot of time now but what I intend to do after work is read through in the light of the knowledge we have gained. Two wolves, a seer, some ordos. We have done well but the very first WW game was won by a lone wolf who had seen his comrades die in Day ! and 2 lynches. We can't relax here

I guess this was the classic 3 wolf and seer game but we can't be certain. If there were another special role, cobbler would be my guess.. or maybe it just seems like there are cobblers here!!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Indeed, if sally were a wolf I sincerely doubt that she would have made that vote that brough Nog and Gwath to a tie. That's incredibly brave forward planning if that was the case, and while I wouldn't put it past her to be that brave, I don't think there would have been time in the last minute voting rush for it to be that well planned.

I don't understand your point, Kath. To whoever Wolf #3 is (I'm not saying it's Sally), it must have been clear by then that Nogrod had decided to sacrifice Gwath– if it is indeed Sally, it would be just a matter of following suit.

EDOT: fixed bolding.