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the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:26 PM

I'd love for her to vote Morm and then we all stack and thus signal Form.

(xpost: yep, absolutely agree)

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

No. Voting Lommy means Form is a wolf.

It would be a nice extra if she voted morm though...

Yeah what phantom means is, we don't want to empower her unless it also betters our chances of lynching a wolf.

xed - yeah definitely.

A Little Green · 06-10-2015, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by phantom

Heh- I would certainly text you if I could. But despite my jokes, that remains out of the realm of possibility (no texting on my plan- this is literally the first time I've ever wanted it).

Am I allowed to feel special now?

Anyway I think we can vote for Lommy, honestly if the village messes it up it's their problem at this point.

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:27 PM

Yes, Agan.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'd love for her to vote Morm and then we all stack and thus signal Form.

Exactly.

But if she doesn't, is there another reasonable plan but to vote her anyway? That's what I'm asking.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah what phantom means is, we don't want to empower her unless it also betters our chances of lynching a wolf.

Even if it risked us actually controlling our own vote?

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:28 PM

Yes, feel very special.

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:29 PM

Quote:

morm is a wolf give vote to Form or McCaber
Form is a wolf give vote to morm or Lommy
Kath is a wolf give vote to Eomer or Mith
Mith is a wolf give vote to Kath or Shasta
McCaber is a wolf give vote to Boro
No dreams on this list as wolf give vote to Sally

Could also empower morm. Or Form.

Lommy would definitely be the best though. But I can't see what could go wrong as I very much doubt she suddenly decides to jump on Boro.

A Little Green · 06-10-2015, 05:29 PM

She was planning to vote morm right?

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:30 PM

They need to lynch a Wolf. I'm just hoping they won't need our bonus vote to make the difference between, say, an unknown and Morm/Form, or Morm/Form and Boro, etc. That's why I wouldn't vote now. Not yet.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:31 PM

I mean if we decide the vote like now (when Lommy votes the latest) then you'd get two votes (mine & Legate's), if you then start to think other options (if Lommy doesn't vote a wolf) you need to get it done without two votes on your back.

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:31 PM

Also I don't think we need to wake Legate up. If you, Greenie and I vote for her now, it builds a base for piling the rest of the votes on her as well but leaves enough freedom to empower somebody else (in this case, Form or McC) if it looks like our vote would tie it between morm and somebody else.

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:33 PM

Lommy is back from the bathroom!

VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:35 PM

You can do it, Lommy!

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:35 PM

Oh yes, Greenie is around.

Just remember we need five votes to be sure though. Just reminding you so thee is very little leeway to go on other directions...

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:37 PM

Ah, the Power Rangers of the North. I wonder why Aragorn never put out a call to his kin? They could've been useful, particularly when Sauron unleashed MechaGodzilla.

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh dear Sally, I was just about to vote and go to sleep, and now I need to think??

*goes to reread the rules*

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:39 PM

You thought I was exaggerating for the sake of humor when I made fun of the Living earlier- about discussing for no reason and holding their votes...

Nope. Not exaggerating. They're really that bad.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:40 PM

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:42 PM

HA SHE VOTED.

Need to think before voting though. Numbers.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:42 PM

Whoa!

++ Lommy

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:43 PM

Morm has two votes now. He'll have to organize a counter-wagon.

It'd be really nice if it's against Form.

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:45 PM

REMAINING VOTERS:

Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen

VOTED:

Kath -> Morm
Lommy -> Morm (2)

Does anyone have a list of which way the remaining voters are likely to vote? That might be helpful if the leanings are strong enough.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Numbers.

The known wolves have 3 votes, and then there is Rikae who might vote our way (I hope and kind almost trust) or not.

So to be sure 5 votes is needed.

Nerwen is not granted. How about Nilp?

Rune might of course apear but probably not...

Legate can be awaken to vote if needed.

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:45 PM

So we could have 3-4 European votes for Lommy. If we vote and leave, that leaves four of you (phantom, Rikae, Firefoot and Nilp) with two known wolves, as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up.

If you decide to go for Lommy in the end, all good.

If however an extra vote for morm would tie the lynch, we shouldn't vote as then the wolves could jump on our Lommy vote and tie it.

So should we abstain then?

Or give her like one European vote to be on the safe side?

edit: xed since my last

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Does anyone have a list of which way the remaining voters are likely to vote? That might be helpful if the leanings are strong enough.

Quite a many voiced their suspicion on morm.

Boro might be one gaining a few votes, but I'm not sure if enough to make a tie there.

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:48 PM

Right- three known Wolves could mess things up. Technically cannot count on either Rikae or Nog.

Firefoot and I WILL be here at the finish. Nilp will be (or I will be very cross with him). That gives us three. Then we need either Legate or Agan to give us knowns equaling unknowns (and the innocent of Rikae/Nog will swing it our way).

(xpost: didn't see Nog vote)

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up.

I wouldn't bet on Lalaith not appearing (not betting on her appearing either, but let's not assume too much).

A Little Green · 06-10-2015, 05:48 PM

If ou guys want me to vote for Lomzy I need to know it, like, now.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Right- three known Wolves could mess things up. Technically cannot count on either Rikae or Nog.

Well you can count on me. I already voted - and am going to bed.

My last question just is: do you want another vote for Lommy or not?

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:50 PM

LIVING:

Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Three wolves there, is my guess - both packs still represented. If there's no lynch today but two kills tonight, the village may be at 5-3 tomorrow. Which is not good, even if the 3 are in different packs.

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:51 PM

Okay, so, if both Nog and Green go for Lommy and we are desperate to change it at the finish.

Worst case: Mac-Lal-Lottie-Rikae pile on to give Lommy 6. Firefoot, Nilp, Agan, Legate, and I cannot overcome them.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:52 PM

And another question: are you really sure you want to put getting the message through in doubt for a possibility there is a tie in the living thread?

There could be, yes, but how probable is that with only two or three wolves left there (and not necessary on the same side)?

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:54 PM

How about Greenie votes for Form?

That way there's 1 for Lommy and 1 for Form now, and (hopefully) 4 innocents and max 3 (2 most likely though - Lalaith didn't vote yesterday either) wolves.

Nogrod · 06-10-2015, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Three wolves there, is my guess - both packs still represented. If there's no lynch today but two kills tonight, the village may be at 5-3 tomorrow. Which is not good, even if the 3 are in different packs.

Good point. But why do you think two kills? And wouldn't Boro then take off morm making it 5-2 and they would know then Form is a wolf aka 5-1 the next Day?

A Little Green · 06-10-2015, 05:55 PM

I think a second Lommy vote won't hurt even if a change of plans is needed so just to be on the safe side -

++ Lommy

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:55 PM

Nog - that way there will be a message. Obviously Lommy is preferable to morm as she's innocent and would kind of convey information about two wolves, but I prefer a lynch to a no lynch in any case.

the phantom · 06-10-2015, 05:56 PM

What if Green left a vote for one of the other truthful info candidates (like Form)? Then the Baddies wouldn't have a double-vote to pile onto, just a single. Thus worst case scenario they could swing five votes, whereas Firefoot, Nilp, Phantom, Legate, Agan, could outweigh them by dumping onto the other single vote.

But that would require Agan-Legate of course. Is there someone else alive I'm forgetting? Bah.

(x-post: never mind, Greenie already voted, fingers crossed)

Aganzir · 06-10-2015, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Good point. But why do you think two kills? And wouldn't Boro then take off morm making it 5-2 and they would know then Form is a wolf aka 5-1 the next Day?

It's 3 am you can't expect me to remember Boro.

A Little Green · 06-10-2015, 05:56 PM

Sorry 'bout that, bad timing! Anyway good night guys. <3

06-10-2015, 05:26 PM	#1161
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	I'd love for her to vote Morm and then we all stack and thus signal Form. (xpost: yep, absolutely agree) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:27 PM	#1164
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Yes, Agan. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:28 PM	#1167
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Yes, feel very special. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:29 PM	#1169
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,586	She was planning to vote morm right? __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

06-10-2015, 05:30 PM	#1170
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	They need to lynch a Wolf. I'm just hoping they won't need our bonus vote to make the difference between, say, an unknown and Morm/Form, or Morm/Form and Boro, etc. That's why I wouldn't vote now. Not yet. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:31 PM	#1171
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	I mean if we decide the vote like now (when Lommy votes the latest) then you'd get two votes (mine & Legate's), if you then start to think other options (if Lommy doesn't vote a wolf) you need to get it done without two votes on your back. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-10-2015, 05:31 PM	#1172
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	Also I don't think we need to wake Legate up. If you, Greenie and I vote for her now, it builds a base for piling the rest of the votes on her as well but leaves enough freedom to empower somebody else (in this case, Form or McC) if it looks like our vote would tie it between morm and somebody else. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:33 PM	#1173
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	Lommy is back from the bathroom! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:35 PM	#1174
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	You can do it, Lommy! __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:35 PM	#1175
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	Oh yes, Greenie is around. Just remember we need five votes to be sure though. Just reminding you so thee is very little leeway to go on other directions... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-10-2015, 05:37 PM	#1176
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Ah, the Power Rangers of the North. I wonder why Aragorn never put out a call to his kin? They could've been useful, particularly when Sauron unleashed MechaGodzilla. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:39 PM	#1178
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	You thought I was exaggerating for the sake of humor when I made fun of the Living earlier- about discussing for no reason and holding their votes... Nope. Not exaggerating. They're really that bad. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:40 PM	#1179
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	__________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-10-2015, 05:42 PM	#1180
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	HA SHE VOTED. Need to think before voting though. Numbers. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:42 PM	#1181
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	Whoa! ++ Lommy __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-10-2015, 05:43 PM	#1182
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Morm has two votes now. He'll have to organize a counter-wagon. It'd be really nice if it's against Form. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:45 PM	#1183
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	REMAINING VOTERS: Formendacil satansaloser2005 McCaber Boromir88 Eomer of the Rohirrim mormegil Shastanis Althreduin Mithalwen VOTED: Kath -> Morm Lommy -> Morm (2) Does anyone have a list of which way the remaining voters are likely to vote? That might be helpful if the leanings are strong enough. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:45 PM	#1185
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	So we could have 3-4 European votes for Lommy. If we vote and leave, that leaves four of you (phantom, Rikae, Firefoot and Nilp) with two known wolves, as Nerwen, Rune and Lalaith are unlikely to turn up. If you decide to go for Lommy in the end, all good. If however an extra vote for morm would tie the lynch, we shouldn't vote as then the wolves could jump on our Lommy vote and tie it. So should we abstain then? Or give her like one European vote to be on the safe side? edit: xed since my last __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:48 PM	#1187
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Right- three known Wolves could mess things up. Technically cannot count on either Rikae or Nog. Firefoot and I WILL be here at the finish. Nilp will be (or I will be very cross with him). That gives us three. Then we need either Legate or Agan to give us knowns equaling unknowns (and the innocent of Rikae/Nog will swing it our way). (xpost: didn't see Nog vote) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:48 PM	#1189
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,586	If ou guys want me to vote for Lomzy I need to know it, like, now. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

06-10-2015, 05:50 PM	#1191
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	LIVING: Formendacil satansaloser2005 McCaber Boromir88 Thinlómien Eomer of the Rohirrim mormegil Shastanis Althreduin Mithalwen Kath Three wolves there, is my guess - both packs still represented. If there's no lynch today but two kills tonight, the village may be at 5-3 tomorrow. Which is not good, even if the 3 are in different packs. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:51 PM	#1192
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	Okay, so, if both Nog and Green go for Lommy and we are desperate to change it at the finish. Worst case: Mac-Lal-Lottie-Rikae pile on to give Lommy 6. Firefoot, Nilp, Agan, Legate, and I cannot overcome them. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:52 PM	#1193
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,330	And another question: are you really sure you want to put getting the message through in doubt for a possibility there is a tie in the living thread? There could be, yes, but how probable is that with only two or three wolves left there (and not necessary on the same side)? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-10-2015, 05:54 PM	#1194
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	How about Greenie votes for Form? That way there's 1 for Lommy and 1 for Form now, and (hopefully) 4 innocents and max 3 (2 most likely though - Lalaith didn't vote yesterday either) wolves. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:55 PM	#1196
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,586	I think a second Lommy vote won't hurt even if a change of plans is needed so just to be on the safe side - ++ Lommy __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

06-10-2015, 05:55 PM	#1197
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,607	Nog - that way there will be a message. Obviously Lommy is preferable to morm as she's innocent and would kind of convey information about two wolves, but I prefer a lynch to a no lynch in any case. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-10-2015, 05:56 PM	#1198
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 6,121	What if Green left a vote for one of the other truthful info candidates (like Form)? Then the Baddies wouldn't have a double-vote to pile onto, just a single. Thus worst case scenario they could swing five votes, whereas Firefoot, Nilp, Phantom, Legate, Agan, could outweigh them by dumping onto the other single vote. But that would require Agan-Legate of course. Is there someone else alive I'm forgetting? Bah. (x-post: never mind, Greenie already voted, fingers crossed) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-10-2015, 05:56 PM	#1200
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,586	Sorry 'bout that, bad timing! Anyway good night guys. <3 __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."