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08-19-2001, 10:13 PM

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What do you think was Galadriel's power?
I mean, we all know she had her ring, but it served her the protect her land.

But what if someone will attack her personally,
how can she defendfight better than others, after all she is considered "Powerful".

and also, why would the one ring enhance her power so much? she is no Maia or anything...just an elf.

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Telchar · 08-20-2001, 12:22 AM

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Just an elf ... Hmmfff! She is according to HoME X greatest af all the Noldor save Fëanor only (maybe) but she was wiser thatn he!

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yeah, but what i meant is: define her greatness !
Can she use magic? can she fight? is she just smart?
things like that. <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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GandaIf The White · 08-20-2001, 06:17 PM

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I dont think you can be sure what Galadriel would do if she was in Battle. The attack on Dul Guldur is the only time it ever said she had been in battle (as far as I know). But I suppose she would weild a sword and a sheild just like any other Elven Warrior.. maybe a bow for long range combat.

I dont know about any kind of 'magic' though.

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Halbarad · 08-20-2001, 11:44 PM

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It said that in the attack on Dol Guldur Galadriel tore down the walls- of a fortress of Sauron! So she can rip down stuff- pretty impressive if you ask me

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Telchar · 08-21-2001, 02:40 AM

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Re: Galadriel's Powers

I have read this passage about the attack on Dol Guldur, but I cant find it??
Can you guy senlighten me????

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Inziladun · 08-21-2001, 05:02 AM

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Re: Galadriel's Powers

The destruction of Dol Guldur is in Appendix B, RoTK.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> .....when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed.<hr></blockquote>

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Telchar · 08-21-2001, 07:57 AM

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Sound alot like Luthien on Tol-in-Gaurhoth - I wonder what Melian taught the girls <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

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Tar Elenion · 08-21-2001, 09:11 PM

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Before to much is made of it note that Luthien was only able to do so after gave her mastery of the tower, and Galadriel only after the destruction of the Ring (though with what that implies to her as well) and Sauron's fall.

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Helkahothion · 06-20-2003, 05:20 AM

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I wonder what Melian taught the girls

Well, it's a darn good abilety to be able to overthrow walls. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

But what bugs me: What would happen if an Orc would charge her and she was alone. You know, she never caried around weapons, so she should have a way to defend herself. What was that?

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Aredhel Idril Telcontar · 06-20-2003, 05:25 AM

I think it says she took part in the first Kinslaying, though I'm not sure. If she did, it's obvious she could wield a sword and protect herself. I doubt thousands of years of *relatively* peaceful ruling would have diminished those abilities... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Morwen Tindomerel · 06-20-2003, 09:33 AM

According to Tolkien Galadriel fought in defense of her Telerin kin at Alqualonde. He also describes her as a bit of an amazon, at least in her youth, rather like her cousin Aredhel. I guess all those brothers gave both ladies a tomboy streak.

Olorin · 06-20-2003, 02:43 PM

JRRT was trying to create a myth and in myths there are always questions left unanswered for the readers to wonder about. Unanswered questions are some of best and worst parts about JRRT's works because the reader will always be wondering about the unsolved mysteries. That could be a good thing or a bad thing.

The power and magic of the elves is one such mystery that can never be truly solved by substantial evidence. There's only speculation.

Atleast that's my take on it. If any of you know better than I do, please feel free to correct me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Arwen Melian · 06-20-2003, 08:43 PM

Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adament also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her.

Arwen Melian · 06-20-2003, 08:44 PM

Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adamant also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her.

Helkahothion · 06-21-2003, 04:55 AM

I'm beginning to see a pattern in your posting Arwen Melian [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

No, the ring did not have the power to alter earth or water. Someone been watching too much captain planet? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

It did not posses the power to, I don't know, buildt up a rock wall in front of her to block a sword or anything. I think she could defend herself like gandalf's staff. Knock people out with a swoop of her arm. I think her power was also mental.

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Aredhel Idril Telcontar · 06-21-2003, 09:45 AM

One thing for sure, I doubt Galadriel could do *magic* tricks like Gandalf. And the Elven Rings were made to preserve, not to destroy.
I guess in war she would depend upon her skill and upon her soldiers.
If she fought for the Teleri, how could she have joined the Noldorin host later? Sorry, it's been a long time since I last read Sil.. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Helkahothion · 06-21-2003, 01:24 PM

Well, you can hide a lot of things under a dress. Just ask Maikadilwen, Durelin or Amanaduial the Archer. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Suilad,

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Arwen Melian · 06-21-2003, 01:47 PM

You have quite a sense Helkahothian, this is for you "captain planet he's a hero!" No I am not going to sing it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. I relly did't mean it that way. Can you picture Galadriel holding out her hand with Nenya , cying "water!" That would be sad and scary. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

FingolfintheBold · 06-21-2003, 02:08 PM

I think as for magic, elves define it differently. Luthien was a tremendous minstrel, who could put Morgoth himself under with her song. Fingon battles Sauron in a tune. Perhaps Galadriel could rend the stone of the walls with a song that spoke against them. Words are powerful in ME. Gandalf's magic seems to be partially word-activated. What Galadriel did probably wouldnt be magic to elves, but to us it certainly would be!

Finwe · 06-21-2003, 02:09 PM

Oh dear, I just had a mental picture of Gandalf crying out "Fire," Galadriel "Wind!" Elrond "Wind!" It's a very funny mental picture!

I think that Galadriel was fully capable of defending herself, she just didn't need to. After all, one who fought against Feanor (and his sons) during the Kinslaying (and survived!) has to have been one pretty powerful warrior indeed. It is also said that Galadriel "was a match for the athletes and the loremasters of the Noldor in their youth." That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that you can easily forget.

After all, she had loads of men around to defend her, and she didn't even have to lift a finger. Galadriel spoke, they all served. Isn't that every girl's dream? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Helkahothion · 06-21-2003, 02:12 PM

That would be horrible. Not even that, it would also be quite pathetic. Tolkien would have gone into a very low place if would have done that. I think that Galadriel carried a weapon in those days.

Yeah, it would be every girls dream. Faye has one warrior though. So does Maikadilwen. If they would combine their powers, they would have an army of two soldiers. Hm, I hope they snap their fingers.

But I think that in that time, Galadriël carried a weapon.

Roccotari Eldandil · 06-24-2003, 03:17 PM

where are all these references to Galadriel's youth coming from?

Helkahothion · 06-24-2003, 03:24 PM

Silmarillion. Another book written by Tolkien.

Suilad,

Anuion

08-19-2001, 10:13 PM	#1
Opether Guest Posts: n/a	Galadriel's Powers <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 4</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> What do you think was Galadriel's power? I mean, we all know she had her ring, but it served her the protect her land. But what if someone will attack her personally, how can she defendfight better than others, after all she is considered "Powerful". and also, why would the one ring enhance her power so much? she is no Maia or anything...just an elf. </p>

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Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Posts: 997</TD><TD><img src=http://www.hbgk.dk/terning.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers Just an elf ... Hmmfff! She is according to HoME X greatest af all the Noldor save Fëanor only (maybe) but she was wiser thatn he! <marquee>It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes!!! ... Anar kaluva tielyanna!</marquee></p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

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Opether Guest Posts: n/a	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 5</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers yeah, but what i meant is: define her greatness ! Can she use magic? can she fight? is she just smart? things like that. <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> </p>

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Halbarad Wight Join Date: May 2001 Location: Cheongju, Korea Posts: 147	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 32</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers It said that in the attack on Dol Guldur Galadriel tore down the walls- of a fortress of Sauron! So she can rip down stuff- pretty impressive if you ask me "A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not."</p> __________________ -Halbarad to Aragorn, 'The Passing of the Grey Company' Book V, Return of the King."A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not"

08-21-2001, 02:40 AM	#6
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Posts: 1004</TD><TD><img src=http://www.hbgk.dk/terning.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers I have read this passage about the attack on Dol Guldur, but I cant find it?? Can you guy senlighten me???? <marquee>It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes!!! ... Anar kaluva tielyanna!</marquee></p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

08-20-2001, 06:17 PM	#4
GandaIf The White Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 267	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 348</TD><TD><img src=http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/HdR/crewmckel.JPG WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers I dont think you can be sure what Galadriel would do if she was in Battle. The attack on Dul Guldur is the only time it ever said she had been in battle (as far as I know). But I suppose she would weild a sword and a sheild just like any other Elven Warrior.. maybe a bow for long range combat. I dont know about any kind of 'magic' though. "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

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Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,036	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 260</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers The destruction of Dol Guldur is in Appendix B, RoTK. <blockquote>*Quote:*<hr> .....when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed.<hr></blockquote> Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

08-21-2001, 07:57 AM	#8
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Posts: 1007</TD><TD><img src=http://www.hbgk.dk/terning.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers Sound alot like Luthien on Tol-in-Gaurhoth - I wonder what Melian taught the girls <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <marquee>It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes!!! ... Anar kaluva tielyanna!</marquee></p> __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

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Tar Elenion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 358	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 132</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Galadriel's Powers Before to much is made of it note that Luthien was only able to do so after gave her mastery of the tower, and Galadriel only after the destruction of the Ring (though with what that implies to her as well) and Sauron's fall. Tar-Elenion Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. </p> __________________ Tar-Elenion

06-20-2003, 05:25 AM	#11
Aredhel Idril Telcontar Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hanging on a sheer cliff with Maedhros Posts: 113	I think it says she took part in the first Kinslaying, though I'm not sure. If she did, it's obvious she could wield a sword and protect herself. I doubt thousands of years of relatively peaceful ruling would have diminished those abilities... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "I am your sister and not your servant, and beyond your bounds I will go as seems good to me." Tai uzdaryk mane Tevyne savyje/kaip giesme gerkleje mirtis uzdaro/ ir kaip uzdaro vakara naktis/ o Tu man atsakai: as Tavo laisve

06-20-2003, 09:33 AM	#12
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	According to Tolkien Galadriel fought in defense of her Telerin kin at Alqualonde. He also describes her as a bit of an amazon, at least in her youth, rather like her cousin Aredhel. I guess all those brothers gave both ladies a tomboy streak.

06-20-2003, 02:43 PM	#13
Olorin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where the sun sails and the moon walks. Posts: 155	JRRT was trying to create a myth and in myths there are always questions left unanswered for the readers to wonder about. Unanswered questions are some of best and worst parts about JRRT's works because the reader will always be wondering about the unsolved mysteries. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. The power and magic of the elves is one such mystery that can never be truly solved by substantial evidence. There's only speculation. Atleast that's my take on it. If any of you know better than I do, please feel free to correct me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

06-20-2003, 08:43 PM	#14
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adament also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her. __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

06-20-2003, 08:44 PM	#15
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	Well, Galadriel is the keeper of Nenya....the Ring of Adamant also known as the Ring of Water. Therefore it is my opinion that she can call upon the land itself(or water...but perhaps that has more to do with her mirror)to defend her. __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

06-21-2003, 04:55 AM	#16
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	I'm beginning to see a pattern in your posting Arwen Melian [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] No, the ring did not have the power to alter earth or water. Someone been watching too much captain planet? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] It did not posses the power to, I don't know, buildt up a rock wall in front of her to block a sword or anything. I think she could defend herself like gandalf's staff. Knock people out with a swoop of her arm. I think her power was also mental. Olorin: We know that some things are left unanswered, that is why we are here. To discuss and debathe, to find the answers in the little things. Nothing was left unanswered, there were always little hints on the answers and thanks to a lot of downers, many things that were a mystery, have been cleared. Suilad, Anuion

06-21-2003, 09:45 AM	#17
Aredhel Idril Telcontar Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hanging on a sheer cliff with Maedhros Posts: 113	One thing for sure, I doubt Galadriel could do magic tricks like Gandalf. And the Elven Rings were made to preserve, not to destroy. I guess in war she would depend upon her skill and upon her soldiers. If she fought for the Teleri, how could she have joined the Noldorin host later? Sorry, it's been a long time since I last read Sil.. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ "I am your sister and not your servant, and beyond your bounds I will go as seems good to me." Tai uzdaryk mane Tevyne savyje/kaip giesme gerkleje mirtis uzdaro/ ir kaip uzdaro vakara naktis/ o Tu man atsakai: as Tavo laisve

06-21-2003, 01:24 PM	#18
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Well, you can hide a lot of things under a dress. Just ask Maikadilwen, Durelin or Amanaduial the Archer. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] Suilad, Anuion

06-21-2003, 01:47 PM	#19
Arwen Melian Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sometimes Imladris....sometimes Mirkwood...other times ....Lothlorien Posts: 141	You have quite a sense Helkahothian, this is for you "captain planet he's a hero!" No I am not going to sing it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. I relly did't mean it that way. Can you picture Galadriel holding out her hand with Nenya , cying "water!" That would be sad and scary. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Maiden of Rivendell "Anything to get away from the evil monkey in my bedroom." Fine! I admit it. I am a supporter of Agent Elrond. Now would you please leave me be?

06-21-2003, 02:08 PM	#20
FingolfintheBold Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere between knowing my path and walking it Posts: 69	I think as for magic, elves define it differently. Luthien was a tremendous minstrel, who could put Morgoth himself under with her song. Fingon battles Sauron in a tune. Perhaps Galadriel could rend the stone of the walls with a song that spoke against them. Words are powerful in ME. Gandalf's magic seems to be partially word-activated. What Galadriel did probably wouldnt be magic to elves, but to us it certainly would be! __________________ There long the golden leaves have grown, upon the branching years, while here beyond the sundering seas, now fall the Elven-tears... but if of ships I now would sing, what ship would come to me, what ship would bear me ever back, across so wide a sea?

06-21-2003, 02:09 PM	#21
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Oh dear, I just had a mental picture of Gandalf crying out "Fire," Galadriel "Wind!" Elrond "Wind!" It's a very funny mental picture! I think that Galadriel was fully capable of defending herself, she just didn't need to. After all, one who fought against Feanor (and his sons) during the Kinslaying (and survived!) has to have been one pretty powerful warrior indeed. It is also said that Galadriel "was a match for the athletes and the loremasters of the Noldor in their youth." That doesn't seem like the kind of thing that you can easily forget. After all, she had loads of men around to defend her, and she didn't even have to lift a finger. Galadriel spoke, they all served. Isn't that every girl's dream? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-21-2003, 02:12 PM	#22
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	That would be horrible. Not even that, it would also be quite pathetic. Tolkien would have gone into a very low place if would have done that. I think that Galadriel carried a weapon in those days. Yeah, it would be every girls dream. Faye has one warrior though. So does Maikadilwen. If they would combine their powers, they would have an army of two soldiers. Hm, I hope they snap their fingers. But I think that in that time, Galadriël carried a weapon.

06-24-2003, 03:17 PM	#23
Roccotari Eldandil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the stables of Lorien Posts: 79	where are all these references to Galadriel's youth coming from? __________________ "Come, come!" he shouted, swinging his axe. "Since Gandalf's head is now sacred, let us find one that is right to cleave!" -Gimli, after hearing Galadriel's message to him in TTT

06-24-2003, 03:24 PM	#24
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Silmarillion. Another book written by Tolkien. Suilad, Anuion