Aragorn and Arwen's children's ears - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ivorwen · 05-05-2002, 03:59 PM

Idd Arwen's ears change when she became mortal?
If not, what would her children's ears be like?

Elrian · 05-05-2002, 04:03 PM

Arwen's ears, nor her physical appearance changed after she married Aragorn. The childrens ears could have been pointed or could not depending on what genes they inherited from the parents.

ElanorGamgee · 05-05-2002, 04:15 PM

I'm not sure, but I don't think there is any evidence in the books to suggest that Elves had pointy ears to begin with.

Niere-Teleliniel · 05-05-2002, 04:33 PM

This is an interesting article on pointy elf ears.

[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Niere-Teleliniel ]

Elven-Maiden · 05-09-2002, 06:35 PM

hmmm.... interesting topic. sorry I can't add anything to it, but since Aragorn has elven blood in him, I'd assume their kids have semi-pointy ears. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

The Silver-shod Muse · 05-13-2002, 06:26 PM

Semi-pointy? Hmmmm... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Kalessin · 05-13-2002, 07:28 PM

This is clearly a key topic for all Tolkien enthusiasts [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Perhaps out there in the big wide world is someone who by appearance could be the love child of Liv Tyler and Viggo Mortensen ... the steely blue eyes, the delicate pout, perfectly manicured nails (OK, perhaps I've watched the movie too many times), a muscled swordarm, and eternally and decidedly stubbly cheekbones. Perhaps she's an East German swimmer [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Shadow of Udûn · 06-29-2002, 06:33 AM

well, look at children who have parents from different races, and i've seen a few. It would probably be pretty random. Some might look almost entirely elvish, while others might be far more human. I assume that most would have ears that were pointier than usual, but not as pointy as a normal elf. Somehow, i can't imagine JRR Tolkein lying awake at night thinking about it.

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 06-29-2002, 10:23 AM

Maybe one ear was pointed and the other ear was normal... No?... Guess not...

mystra · 07-01-2002, 03:30 PM

ok.... biology kicking in here! mr hockley would be proud! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
okay...... i thought about ti and gave up. its sposed to work so u end up wiv this:
PP, Pp, Pp, pp.
P being pointy, p being non-pointy. it just doesnt work out for them. if it was as the grid above suggests, the child would have a one in four chance of not having pointy ears. if i work it out properly, ill re-post [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Anna Licumo · 07-03-2002, 04:09 PM

Hmmm, assuming they did:
Aragorn would have 'ee' ears, both recessive since he had human ears. Arwen would have 'EE' both dominant since she had Elf ears. If you do a Punnit square, you get Ee, every time. The same is true if human ears are dominant and elf ears are recessive. Thus, they would have the forementioned slightly pointed ears. Ee.
No more genetics class for me.

Maédhros · 07-03-2002, 05:10 PM

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but I don't think there is any evidence in the books to suggest that Elves had pointy ears to begin with.

Aside from the other contribution in this thread about elf ears, I have found this: From the Letters of JRRT: 27

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I picture a fairly human figure, not a kind of 'fairy' rabbit as some of my British reviewers seem to fancy: fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'

I think that their ears would be a little pointed.

Thulorongil · 07-03-2002, 06:51 PM

First of all, I think that Ivorwen has a little too much free time to spend pondering hereditary ear-shape. Second, it would depend which characteristic would be the recessive gene and which would be the dominant. Then it would depend on which gene would be passed on from each parent. But also, if Aragorn has elvish blood in him, then he would have more than zero pointy-ear genes.
Semi-pointy ears?

Belin · 07-03-2002, 08:31 PM

Very true, Thulorongil. I might also add that Arwen also has some human blood.

[ July 03, 2002: Message edited by: Belin ]

Calencoire · 07-04-2002, 08:58 PM

lol imaginative question. I think it depends on who they get there looks after.

Anna Licumo · 07-06-2002, 02:08 PM

Hmmm, bother. If they had genetics from the other side, it would be EEee, or EEEe. Since one has to be dominant, and I don't feel like doing such a complicated Punnit's square on summer break, I would say it depends on who's ears are dominants. If Elven ears would be- then yeah, they'd be pointed. And vice versa.
But! Since we are not technically sure they even have pointed ears, (ie it's a culture thing) and another 'culture idea' is that pretty much anytime you run into a half-elf they have pointed ears, I would say they were dominant. So, the children would have pointed ears.
Whew. I'm reading too much into this!

Anorien · 07-08-2002, 01:09 PM

Where does it say that Aragorn has elvish blood in him?? That's cool! i didn't know that. I'd always asumed that the elves had pointy ears. They's probably have a little bit of pointyness (is that even a word?) to them... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Anna Licumo · 07-08-2002, 01:37 PM

Anorien, Aragorn was Numórean (sp?) which had Elvish blood in it. Not too exact, I know, but it may perhaps be in the appendix.

I like pointy ears too. Hey, why not? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Daniel Telcontar · 07-08-2002, 01:42 PM

Aragorn's elvish blood is through his forefather Earendil (half-elven) and his wife, Elwing, who were a mix of human, elf and maia. But the elvish blood is through all the kings of Numenor, and then the kings of Arnor, and then the chieftains of the northern Dunedain. So I doubt that any elvish genes would effect Aragorn in any way.

Lady_Galadriel · 07-14-2002, 01:36 PM

Hmmm... This is an interesting topic... I'd assume that they would be semi-pointy, but that's also assuming that elves do have pointy ears. But then again, who knows. Maybe they would come out not pointy or like human ears. Maybe they would be like some dog ears. My pigenese (sp?) has long floppy ears. They could be like that, if that's what Tolkien wanted. right?
but pointy ears are cool. I want pointy ears...

Ivorwen · 07-15-2002, 11:14 AM

Thank you, everyone for posting, though I hoped for a more definate answer. Most of what you've said I've already thought of.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-16-2002, 02:40 PM

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Galadel Vinorel · 08-16-2002, 02:51 PM

Yes, I thnk that the children of Aragorn and Arwen would have semi-pointy ears.

05-05-2002, 03:59 PM	#1
Ivorwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 13	Aragorn and Arwen's children's ears Idd Arwen's ears change when she became mortal? If not, what would her children's ears be like? __________________ "The world is not ending today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" -Charles Schulz

05-05-2002, 04:03 PM	#2
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Arwen's ears, nor her physical appearance changed after she married Aragorn. The childrens ears could have been pointed or could not depending on what genes they inherited from the parents. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

05-05-2002, 04:15 PM	#3
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	I'm not sure, but I don't think there is any evidence in the books to suggest that Elves had pointy ears to begin with. __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

05-05-2002, 04:33 PM	#4
Niere-Teleliniel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a messy room on the third floor. Posts: 67	This is an interesting article on pointy elf ears. [ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: Niere-Teleliniel ] __________________ He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.... ~Douglas Adams

05-09-2002, 06:35 PM	#5
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	hmmm.... interesting topic. sorry I can't add anything to it, but since Aragorn has elven blood in him, I'd assume their kids have semi-pointy ears. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

05-13-2002, 06:26 PM	#6
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Semi-pointy? Hmmmm... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

05-13-2002, 07:28 PM	#7
Kalessin Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Earthsea, or London Posts: 175	This is clearly a key topic for all Tolkien enthusiasts [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Perhaps out there in the big wide world is someone who by appearance could be the love child of Liv Tyler and Viggo Mortensen ... the steely blue eyes, the delicate pout, perfectly manicured nails (OK, perhaps I've watched the movie too many times), a muscled swordarm, and eternally and decidedly stubbly cheekbones. Perhaps she's an East German swimmer [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Peace [ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: Kalessin ]

06-29-2002, 06:33 AM	#8
Shadow of Udûn Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 32	well, look at children who have parents from different races, and i've seen a few. It would probably be pretty random. Some might look almost entirely elvish, while others might be far more human. I assume that most would have ears that were pointier than usual, but not as pointy as a normal elf. Somehow, i can't imagine JRR Tolkein lying awake at night thinking about it. __________________ What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow...

06-29-2002, 10:23 AM	#9
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	Maybe one ear was pointed and the other ear was normal... No?... Guess not... __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

07-01-2002, 03:30 PM	#10
mystra Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cyber raga. nuff said. Posts: 88	ok.... biology kicking in here! mr hockley would be proud! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] okay...... i thought about ti and gave up. its sposed to work so u end up wiv this: PP, Pp, Pp, pp. P being pointy, p being non-pointy. it just doesnt work out for them. if it was as the grid above suggests, the child would have a one in four chance of not having pointy ears. if i work it out properly, ill re-post [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "We each must choose our own path. mine had further to go." Cyber Raga. Nuff said.

07-03-2002, 04:09 PM	#11
Anna Licumo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen... okay, KS actually. ::sigh:: Posts: 78	Hmmm, assuming they did: Aragorn would have 'ee' ears, both recessive since he had human ears. Arwen would have 'EE' both dominant since she had Elf ears. If you do a Punnit square, you get Ee, every time. The same is true if human ears are dominant and elf ears are recessive. Thus, they would have the forementioned slightly pointed ears. Ee. No more genetics class for me. __________________ Rock-a-bye Nazgul, on Weathertop, when the Ring calls, the horses will run. And when Sauron calls, the Nazgul will go, and down will come evil, Ringwraiths and all!

07-03-2002, 06:51 PM	#13
Thulorongil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: wherever the road may take me Posts: 97	First of all, I think that Ivorwen has a little too much free time to spend pondering hereditary ear-shape. Second, it would depend which characteristic would be the recessive gene and which would be the dominant. Then it would depend on which gene would be passed on from each parent. But also, if Aragorn has elvish blood in him, then he would have more than zero pointy-ear genes. Semi-pointy ears? __________________ I sit beside the fire and think of people long ago, And people who will see a world that I shall never know.

07-03-2002, 08:31 PM	#14
Belin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: all the wide unfriendly pathways of the world Posts: 330	Very true, Thulorongil. I might also add that Arwen also has some human blood. [ July 03, 2002: Message edited by: Belin ] __________________ "I hate dignity," cried Scraps, kicking a pebble high in the air and then trying to catch it as it fell. "Half the fools and all the wise folks are dignified, and I'm neither the one nor the other." --L. Frank Baum

07-04-2002, 08:58 PM	#15
Calencoire Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 89	lol imaginative question. I think it depends on who they get there looks after. __________________ Where there is life, there is hope

07-06-2002, 02:08 PM	#16
Anna Licumo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen... okay, KS actually. ::sigh:: Posts: 78	Hmmm, bother. If they had genetics from the other side, it would be EEee, or EEEe. Since one has to be dominant, and I don't feel like doing such a complicated Punnit's square on summer break, I would say it depends on who's ears are dominants. If Elven ears would be- then yeah, they'd be pointed. And vice versa. But! Since we are not technically sure they even have pointed ears, (ie it's a culture thing) and another 'culture idea' is that pretty much anytime you run into a half-elf they have pointed ears, I would say they were dominant. So, the children would have pointed ears. Whew. I'm reading too much into this! __________________ Rock-a-bye Nazgul, on Weathertop, when the Ring calls, the horses will run. And when Sauron calls, the Nazgul will go, and down will come evil, Ringwraiths and all!

07-08-2002, 01:09 PM	#17
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	Where does it say that Aragorn has elvish blood in him?? That's cool! i didn't know that. I'd always asumed that the elves had pointy ears. They's probably have a little bit of pointyness (is that even a word?) to them... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-08-2002, 01:37 PM	#18
Anna Licumo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen... okay, KS actually. ::sigh:: Posts: 78	Anorien, Aragorn was Numórean (sp?) which had Elvish blood in it. Not too exact, I know, but it may perhaps be in the appendix. I like pointy ears too. Hey, why not? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Rock-a-bye Nazgul, on Weathertop, when the Ring calls, the horses will run. And when Sauron calls, the Nazgul will go, and down will come evil, Ringwraiths and all!

07-08-2002, 01:42 PM	#19
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	Aragorn's elvish blood is through his forefather Earendil (half-elven) and his wife, Elwing, who were a mix of human, elf and maia. But the elvish blood is through all the kings of Numenor, and then the kings of Arnor, and then the chieftains of the northern Dunedain. So I doubt that any elvish genes would effect Aragorn in any way. __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

07-14-2002, 01:36 PM	#20
Lady_Galadriel Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Shire, Hobbiton, Middle Earth Posts: 135	Hmmm... This is an interesting topic... I'd assume that they would be semi-pointy, but that's also assuming that elves do have pointy ears. But then again, who knows. Maybe they would come out not pointy or like human ears. Maybe they would be like some dog ears. My pigenese (sp?) has long floppy ears. They could be like that, if that's what Tolkien wanted. right? but pointy ears are cool. I want pointy ears... __________________ " You can't toast me!"

07-15-2002, 11:14 AM	#21
Ivorwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 13	Thank you, everyone for posting, though I hoped for a more definate answer. Most of what you've said I've already thought of. __________________ "The world is not ending today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" -Charles Schulz

08-16-2002, 02:40 PM	#22
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08-16-2002, 02:51 PM	#23
Galadel Vinorel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien, the Woodlen Realm Posts: 366	Yes, I thnk that the children of Aragorn and Arwen would have semi-pointy ears. __________________ “Words can never convey the incredible impact of our attitude toward life. The longer I live the more convinced I become that life is 10 percent what happens to us and 90 percent how we respond to it." -Charles R. Swindoll