WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Volo, this is a thick question, but are you being sarcastic about Rikae? Because if you are, I kind of see where you're coming from.

No, I don't feel sarcastic about Rikae. I don't think that she would be such a great wolf to play so well.


EDIT: X:d with mormegil. Still two hours. Be a man and don't act safe!

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I did misinterpret the narrative - I thought the villagers being together as the Gaur attacked was a hint at Shirriffs but now I see it was part of them not getting "a full strenth dose"... have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ... take pity on a poor serving wench and point me in the right direction?

[Volo]

Sooo, I'm low on life-time. And computer-time.

About Roa I can't say much, just that keeping such a summary does make her scary. I hope she's on our side.
She hasn't talked much sense and even her vote seems fake.

Argh... This is it, I have to go.

--Durelin
++Boromir

He is suspicious and I would really like to save myself.

[Boromir88]

have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ...

I think I confused the town charter chatter with the narration. Though I would not doubt it if one of the secret roles is a help to the wolves.

[Anguirel]

The chances of a two-horse race are now practically a hundred percent, and I'm becoming disillusioned with the idea of a wolf-Volo - but I suspect Boro very little.

Ho hum. I suppose if Eomer and I defected to Macalaure that might be helpful...what say you, beekeeper? How sure are you about our chosen man?

[Anguirel]

Blast, the beekeeper is off beekeeping. Ah well. Stiff upper lip, Volo old chap...always look on the bright side of death...

[Mithalwen]

Roa did talk sense - and she always takes a forensic approach to the game - unfortunately her assessments can be plausible regardless of her role...

I (and I am sure most of us) would never rule out Roa as a wolf without a seer's confirmation .. which we can't hope for here. But I am not buying into "Roa is a wolf because she summarizes and doesn't make sense" cos she always summarizes and unless she gets really riled up she makes sense.

[Macalaure]

I'm not comfortable with a race between Boro and Volo. I'm sorry to do this, since I'm very far from being convinced of his guilt. But I'm more suspicious of him than of the two.

--Celuien

++Gil-Galad


mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

[Mithalwen]

I really don't want Boro to go and would be prepared to hang fire on Volo in favour of Gil to ensure this ..what do you think Ang?

[Anguirel]

I'm not sure. I don't think I want to change my vote to Gil. I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory out...are you willing to risk voting Volo?

[Lalwendë]

Whichever way anyone votes, Naria has still to come in and say anything and cast her vote, and it could be a deciding one. What a position of power!

[Celuien]

Naria was chosen at random from the less communicative section with the goal of poking everyone who hadn't posted yet. And retractably. Interesting that it was found so significant...

--Naria

As for my being quieter just now, I'm about to post to the noticeboard.

[Boromir88]

Gah I hate to have to do this, but I fear I must, as I can't be around to the end. I have to leave within a few minutes and can't make it back before the end...with my fate in limbo I feel I have to do it.

I am one of the secretive roles, and indeed it is the hunter. However, I am far more dangerous to the wolves at night than I am if I get lynched...so getting lynched is not something I want to do! If the wolves feel safe with killing me at night, I'll take up that challenge...but I do warn you I am far more dangerous to you wolves at night than the hunters of the past.

I must go soon, and I'll cast my vote for anyone that saves my skin, because you villagers do not want to lynch your hunter. I am far more dangerous to the wolves if they decide to risk it and kill me at night.

Edit: More mass cross posting

[Lalwendë]

OK so we have four more undecided votes still to be cast...

[Mithalwen]

Ang,I have wanted to save Boro and have suspected Volo since I first logged on ..I am only to happy to vote for him ..if he is not a wolf he is soooo cobblerish that it will be no great loss.....

[Lalwendë]

No, that's five more votes to cast since Celuien's withdrawal.

[Celuien]

++VOLO

For a gut feeling of weirdness.

[Celuien]

I crossed with everything since my retraction post (typing on a PDA screen is hard). That's all.

[Lalwendë]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Celuien -> Volo (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

I think it's now all down to the tactical voting?

[Boromir88]

I can't wait around for a decision any longer. I won't be back before the end. Let's hope we got ourselves one here, or perhaps somebody else that could benefit the wolves.

++Volo

[Mithalwen]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)[/QUOTE]

Celuien Volo (-Naria) (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, , Mac 1)


Updated Mac's list highlighting those who have changed votes and are therefore fixed. It was just one .. and first to total dies in event of a tie remember...

[Lalwendë]

Volo 6, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Mac 1.

Is it just me or does Volo 6, Boro 4 sound like the football scores?

[Mithalwen]

OK

++Volo

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Ang

I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory out

Wouldn't I have voted Boro in that case?

[Lalwendë]

Does this mean only Naria is left to vote?

Unless there are retractions from Ang, Eomer and Morm and a vote elsewhere from Naria, this means Volo has had it. I'm not so sure about this. He seemed just too easy?

[Durelin]

I feel Volo's a wasted lynch.

I think Firefoot's post here seems too cozy. The second vote for someone is a nice and innocent looking spot, but does quite a lot to push votes along for the person, particularly if the vote is as early as hers.

But she doesn't have any votes.

I think Gil-Galad's a better shot at a wolf. And I don't feel he's made any good points...or tried to, really. Of course, he's barely posted.

Boro is not particularly suspicious to me.

So...

++Gil-Galad

[Anguirel]

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.

A lot of the responsibility for lynching Volo rests on me, I feel, but I don't think I can in good conscience change my mind.

[Mithalwen]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

[Nogrod]

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)

[Anguirel]

I am a quivering, wobbling, vaguely alcoholic zabaglione of indecision.

[Mithalwen]

Ang - I would change but if faffing about gets Hunter Boro killed I will not be a happy wench ... (and if Boro is a clever wolf here the village will have an extra idiot.. ) However I want to go home soon if possible so if you could let me know...... neither Volo or Gil have proved themselves great assets. Gil has been random and excessively taciturn, Volo random and excessively verbose - I mean talking is good, talking gives us stuff to work on but he seems ot be putting up smokescreens.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)

Lol and why she isn't on my chart .... should have noticed ..

[Durelin]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.

[Lalwendë]

Glad you said that Nogrod, as I was trying to think of a way to apologise to Durelin for my omission. I'm not quite so embarrassed about my poor maths now.

Now for more maths. Volo is on 7, Boro on 4, Gil on 4. There are still 4 retractable votes for Volo, 3 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and one more other vote to acount for. It's all still to play for I s'pose.

Some very spirited defence of Boro lately I note. By Wolves or Rangers? He's either suspected, or known, to be innocent or is a cobbler or something like that? Though I don't want to go there or it will mess up all my thoughts from today.

[Durelin]

No issues, everyone...I enjoyed remaining mysterious for a time...

And no, not because I have something to hide.

[Firefoot]

Hey, I'm back! I didn't expect to be, but I have a couple extra hours. So.

My vote for Boromir earlier was not based on much at all. He and Gil were the only ones who had caught my eye in a significant way, and I overslept this morning so I didn't have time to look closer. That being said:

--Boromir

This will probably look like jumping on the bandwagon, but it's not (if I didn't want to look like I was jumping on the bandwagon, I wouldn't be posting at all right now and standing by my earlier statement that I wouldn't be available for the rest of the Day...). After reading the second page of the thread, I knew I wanted to vote for

++Volo

It was his post 70 that did it. He's way too cavalier and too defensive. I don't like to see people acting exaggeratedly (although I realize this is the style of some people - I have no idea if this is normally true for Volo). He's just a little all over the place.

Other scattered thoughts to come. I just don't want to build this up so that I'm cross-posting with a bunch of people.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Ang

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.

I see your point. Good you're about to change your mind. It's frustrating to be suspected by people you think are innocent.

Talking of people suspecting me... Master Eomer, I still like to hear an explanation of yours.


Durelin speaks truth. There's a chance that Boro is fooling us. I can already hear him saying "The wolves are afraid of me!" when the village starts wondering why keeps on staying alive day after day.
Well, in that case, the real hunter knows what to do.
Unless Boro is the one wolf-supporting innocent. Hats off in that case.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.

Well fair enough but I personally felt he was innocent and both Gil and Volo were suspicious. In which case it is reasonable to my mind to choose to protect the seeming innocent .. then there is the matter of his revelation - do you imply that you think Boro lied about being the Hunter?

[Anguirel]

OK, Mith. I've made up my mind. I did not toss a twenty groat coin to decide, I have never, ever, lost a game of Werewolf, and I am the true King of Beleriand.

Let's change.

--VOLO, ++GIL-GALAD

[Durelin]

Since when is "all over the place"-ness on Day 1 wolfish?

*shrugs*